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Oh yes, that's the other thing, apparently, you can't enjoy music on separates.  Apparently you listen to "equipment" all the time.  God knows, I've listened to a stack of actives over the years now, KRK, Genelec, Yamaha, Roland....ranging in price from £250 to about £2000.  They do music differently, not better.  It is becoming tiresome hearing this nonsense time and again.  Rather suggests the posters have had the issues in the past than the majority of ordinary folk who just want to hear a few tunes on their stereo.  Enough!   :rant:   :read:    :poke:

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As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

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Oh yes, that's the other thing, apparently, you can't enjoy music on separates.  Apparently you listen to "equipment" all the time.  God knows, I've listened to a stack of actives over the years now, KRK, Genelec, Yamaha, Roland....ranging in price from £250 to about £2000.  They do music differently, not better.  It is becoming tiresome hearing this nonsense time and again.  Rather suggests the posters have had the issues in the past than the majority of ordinary folk who just want to hear a few tunes on their stereo.  Enough!   :rant:   :read:    :poke:

Relax, that was simply my own experience.

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

 

Please list some of those mismatched systems and let us know what makes them poorly matched.

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Relax, that was simply my own experience.

 

You must've shared it round a bit then, as it's been repeated often enough Atticus old son...

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As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

Noted, David. I did look into your suggestion that I upgrade the pre-amp and tried out a Pre QX xpd and, I think, a DAC, but this was what was coming out at over 2k. There was an improvement, but not 2k's worth, and certainly nowhere near that of the ADM40. Besides, while tinkering and chopping and changing may make for an exciting 'Journey of Discovery' for some people, I'd had enough of it myself. For thrills, kicks and to satisfy any urge to tinker, I am now seeking out the perfect pencil, which is just as time-consuming, but less expensive.

A good pencil sharpener is the Rapesco 64, by the way.

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The AVI debate is the gift that goes on giving for good reasons. For those like me with a level of expertise derived from too much time messing around with hifi but little or no scientific background the plausibility of claims for the superiority of active systems give rise to some unease - years of tinkering undermined in one fell swoop. If I hesitate it's because:

1. The AVI proponents are so abrasive perhaps because their confidence in the product is more fragile than they let on

2. This sector is really not taking off - for audio freaks it lacks upgradeability, for the one-off buyer it's butt-ugly, hard to source and not revolutionary enough

3. My own audition of ADM 9s was underwhelming - boxy and flat-sounding

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WinterRacer wrote:

FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

 

Please list some of those mismatched systems and let us know what makes them poorly matched.

 

My mismatched system was as follows:

Cyrus CD8 SE; Cyrus Pre Vs2; x2 Cyrus Mono X; Tannoy DC8 standmounts; Genesis Silver Spiral cable and Atlas Equator interconnects; Partington Dreadnought stands, filled with lead shot and Atacama Atabites. All on a custom-made rack from Hi-Fi Racks (with pointy feet and coasters), on a large floor tile (for ease of dusting). 

It was nice while it lasted but was getting a bit silly and slightly obsessive, with actual listening-to-music-sessions quite short and inevitably overshadowed by nagging doubts. It was when I got a HRT Music Streamer II to play the music off my Netbook and it sounded better that I gots to wondering.....

 

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Well guys just to give you some clarity..pardon the pun...on the issue. 

 I am now the proud owner of a pair of AVI ADM9's with the Scanspeak tweeter upgrade which cost an extra £150.

Along with the addition of a Sonos connect and bridge for an outlay of just over £1500 I have a system that I guarantee will kick many a system costing twice,three times as much into the long grass.

They really are that good.  I bought them on a hunch...un demoed. Thats what most people do who buy AVI's. But their reputation is staggering and their owners give glowing reviews of the product so I was not worried. And by the way I am using my cheapish Panasonic DVD player as  CD transport and it sounds like it is streaming through a very expensive DAC...as I thought it might. My room is now less cluttered. I have two very elegant laquered black speakers on cheap stands (£60 Dynami ) with the minimum of cabling...a small Sonos box and my DVD player. I have enough inputs on the speakers to add a Dac or a dedicated subwoofer at a later date should I so desire,but to be quite honest I dont think I will need them.

The sound from the system is epic...crystaline holographic reproduction of what its presented with. but with enough personality to not be described as detached or too analytical. In a nut shell they are just about as good as anything I have heard at any price......

I have no agenda here...I am just a music lover who was prepared to try a different type of speaker design because I didnt want to shell out upwards of £3000 on a seperates/passive system before I knew what else is available out there

I cant imagine ANYBODY being dissapointed with the ADM's. If you are a real bass freak then buy the subwoofer too you would still only have an initial outlay of £2000!

However ,what bass the speakers generate on their own  is nothing short of breataking for such a small cabinet. They are great all rounders but really come to life and sparkle with Jazz,acoustic and classical.....and the female voice. ..and they do not need hours of running in.

Plug em in and let um loose.....

To say the speakers are magical is a huge understatement. They are quite simply probably the best kept secret in the Hi Fi industry.

You owe it to yourselves to own these little wonders.

I rest my case..........

  

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They may be many things.....but a secret they are not.

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Glad you like your new purchase Etymotic.  Looks like another OCD sufferer has been cured!  Seriously, enjoy and have fun with them.

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WinterRacer wrote:
FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

Please list some of those mismatched systems and let us know what makes them poorly matched.

I do believe I did at the time.

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For thrills, kicks and to satisfy any urge to tinker, I am now seeking out the perfect pencil, which is just as time-consuming, but less expensive.

I've tried some of the more expensive brands such as Derwent but I find that the basic Staedtler 110 Tradition cedar wood pencil with either a B or 2B grade graphite is the best for general use.

 

Don't waste your time on the ones that have erasers on the end because the pink rubber leaves a mark on the paper. :mad: You should use a separate eraser anyway, they're much better. Staedtler make very good erasers too IMO.

 

Hope this information helps with your exciting journey of pencil discovery atticus. :grin:

Hi-Fi - Yamaha RX-V667 > AVI DM5 > AVI subwoofer

Head-Fi - Epiphany Acoustics EHP-O2Di > Sennheisser HD700

Portable - Sony NWZ-A847 > Westone UM3x

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:
As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

Noted, David. I did look into your suggestion that I upgrade the pre-amp and tried out a Pre QX xpd and, I think, a DAC, but this was what was coming out at over 2k. There was an improvement, but not 2k's worth, and certainly nowhere near that of the ADM40. 

That wasn't my recommendation though Smile

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...I cant imagine ANYBODY being dissapointed with the ADM's. If you are a real bass freak then buy the subwoofer too you would still only have an initial outlay of £2000!... 

Well I am a self-confessed bass freak.

 

Is the single 10" woofer in a relatively small sealed box that's used in the AVI subwoofer really the last word in bass reproduction? Or is it possible to find better bass from other speakers or subwoofers?

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