The point I should have made in my last post: Go for it Garett, you won't be disappointed. The RA02 is still a brilliant amp- I'm going to be switching back from the Marantz any day soon.
Not to say the Marantz is bad, far from it, just that for me, the Rotel outguns it in just about every department. May have to set up a second system with the Marantz and try it with some of my other speakers...
Thanks for the input Dougal, I am still very happy with my Rotel, paired with the CD6004 they sound brilliant together and I think a pair of Zensor 3s will complete a nice little system.
Its almost as if they knew, Richer Sounds sent me a voucher today that would enable me to get £50 off. I think I may be picking some up earlier than I thought, it seems daft not too with such a sizeable discount.
So I did it. Last weekend I took my voucher and walked into Richer Sounds and ordered my Zensor 3s, in walnut, a bargain with £50 off.
I picked them up on Monday and let them run in on Tuesday by leaving BBC Radio 2 blaring out all day, although I'm sure they're still bedding in now as they seem to get better with each listen.
Compared with my old Mission M33i they are a complete and utter revelation. They sound clearer and crisper, more open with a fantastically wide open sound stage. They also pack a punch for a smallish speaker and actually the low frequency response dips lower than the Missions, surprising for a bookshelf vs. floorstander.
Currently got them sat on some (borrowed) Atacama Nexus stands 2/3 filled with sand, spiked on granite chopping boards and isolating pads on the stand tops.
I'm extremely pleased with them and would urge anyone in the sub £500 speaker bracket to give them a listen. To my ears they knock seven shades out of the 5 star MA BX2.
Glad you like them. I agree with you about the bass response- it really is stunning for such compact cabinets. The soundstage is stunning too, the tweeters are extremely capable.
I'll probably be swapping amps again tomorrow, I've given the Marantz a few weeks now, and while my ears have adjusted to the new sound, there just isn't the insight or sheer punch of the Rotels. Almost like the Marantz is tired and can't really be bothered by comparison.
I really want another RB03 but I'm getting bored waiting now... :wall:
The speakers are still singing sweetly, I'm yet to find any negatives. I find myself digging old CDs out that I previously thought I was bored of or felt I had over played and discovering hidden layers I had never noticed. Wonderful speakers!
Interesting what you have said in your other thread about the Marantz Vs the Rotel. I'm glad this amp can still hold its own against new comers, its the sign of good kit if it can stand the test of time.
So in reference to bi-amping your Zensors, as the speakers only have one set of terminals. Were you using the RA-02 as a pre-amp and the RB-03 as a power amp? And if you were to use 2x RB-03s you would use them both in mono driving a channel each. Am i correct in thinking that?
What improvements do you notice between using just the RA-02 on its own and using it together with an RB-03?
Yes, I was using them as a pre/power combo- I can't biamp the Zensors, obviously...
There isn't much to choose between the 02 and 03 really, perhaps just a little more heft in the bass with the 03, but the 02 has slightly crisper treble- but as I say there isn't much in it. I already had the 03 so I figured I may as well carry on using it!
If you happen to find an 03 and fancy the upgrade then great, but rest assured you're not missing out- the 02 does a lovely job with the Zensors. The Marantz has come on song a bit (courtesy of some different speaker cable), and has been given a stay of execution for now, but the 02 can certainly hold its own against newer amps, that's for sure...
I think you'd be looking at about the £500 mark to get a significant step-up from the Rotel...
I used to have two rb03s, sold one a couple of years ago- really wish I hadn't as I'd love to monobloc the Zensors! Been keeping an eye out for another but they're a pretty rare sight on the bay these days.
Well, there's been a review.
However, it's in German, so most of you will need Mr Google to translate it for you....
Pretty good, methinks!
I think half the problem is that by modern standards, a 'large', traditionally shaped standmount is just not fashionable anymore. Shame really.
drummerman wrote:I think half the problem is that by modern standards, a 'large', traditionally shaped standmount is just not fashionable anymore. Shame really.regards
Indeed. Even B&W turned their back on the popular 602 when they brought out the 601's replacement, the 685
And whatever happened to the Focal 707? A similarly sized standmount IIRC.
Ok so i had mine for 3 days now, bought them online blindly without an audition ( not wise,I know ^^' )
These are a pair of beasties, the amount of bass they can produce is quite frankly amazing, clear, spacious, and beautiful ( mine are piano black )
Overall i like those speakers BUT i do not truly enjoy them, not just yet. Why you might ask, well i'm still without a full proper kit, they work with an old yamaha rx 463 and some cheap cables 1£/m. What i'd like to add to the equation would be warmth, and I plan to do it by buying a nad D 3020, it should smooth the highs just enough so that it will fit my personal taste.
Don't get me wrong i think these are a pair of fanstastic speakers, i just happen to enjoy warmer sound.
4.5/5 stars from me ( for now !
You need to give them more time, you are probably listening to them too closely, get over that and listen to the music, as for warmth, what music are you playing?
More time, that can be done hehe
Well i'm not listening to them too closely for sure, i'm usualy like 2 meters away from them,
As for music well it's quite a lot but the likes of :
Clapton, Deep Purple, Dire Straits, The Doors,The Who, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Kasabian etc.
Some more "polite" Mettalica tracks
Bonobo, Emancipator, Moby
Some reagge aswell.
Film music ( orchestra etc. )
I've got Klipsch G17 speaker and Philips Fidelio X1 headhphones and i'd imagine the Dali paired with nad should be somewhat of what Fidelio's deliver clear quite neutral sound but slighly on the darker side. The G17 is definitely a warmer and Darker speaker, i enjoy that aswell, but it's too small for my larger room, that's why i bought Zensors.
I did not mean literally, I meant you maybe listening to the speakers rather than the music this is common on new equipment. Not sure they will be like your headphones, you maybe expecting too much but they should an improvement ofn your current amp.
Ok, gave them more time for proper burn in, and i must admit the sound is way more pleasing now
Listening to the likes of tiken Jah Fakoly Live from Paris and you experience, what magical experience the music can be.
Soundtrack from inception can bring up goosebumps!
Altho there are certain tracks that feel very detatched, it's like the music stops being as a whole and instead you hear each and every element performing it's own show. It's wierd a weird experience. Zensors are truly capable of allowing that level of separation altho it's not something i like, quite the opposite. Altho i'm 90% sure it's not their fault, it's the poor management by yamaha. Afterall it's the home cinema amp which was built with intention to separate all those explosions bullet fire sound and such alike, and it's simply doing it's thing. I need to get that NAD amp as soon as possible, and i bet the problem will be non existent.
So i'm bumping my rating to full 5 stars now. Cheers!
Do you have the NAD D 3020 already? I'm really curious about how you think it combines with the Zensor 3's.
I'm considering the same combination