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The reason for including the screen was for functionality that otherwise didnt exist, unless you had an iphone, which most people didnt at the time. The Duet was biggest seller until the touch (or the latest device), and when they sold them seperately, no one bought the handset as it was almost the price of a ipod Touch. This came from a retailer who sold a lot of these.

I did not remotely imply the logitech devices were sold at a loss, I reffered to the margin - there wasn't enough in it without the screen, hence why its attached to the latest device.

Its well know in electronics that Apple's iphone replaced many dedicated electronic device business. It is also why Sonos don't sell as many controllers. Or Philips new lighting range has begun replacing dedicated light controllers for apps as another example.

Its only my opinion about iPhone, and user generate wikipedia is not neccessarily fact either.

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I do agree about spdif  though - but if you have to have it, then at least it should be BNC connectors.

 

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I agree with the following comments of "only when its very profitable " and that,ll need hi res audio to be more available but I've had my Connect upgraded and its a passable source.

Connect upgraded by Wired for Sound

DAC is Regadac

Powersupply lead made up from Furutech stuff...this is very worth doing for a few quid

Feeds to my Naim 282/Hicap/ 250 and PMC FB1i's

having just upgraded my 72 preamp...I'f question any view that Sonos isnt an adequate source. Doubt if PC world had anything adeqyuate.

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Firstly I must say that wooleys argument about iPod having Logitech app that was a nail in that particular logitech coffin seemed to be completely believable and probable.

 I would just like to add my probably quite unimportant and misplaced thoughts on sonos. I was looking for a fairly cheap and simple streaming solution....I had a quick intro into sonos at my HiFi dealers.....but all I could understand was that I would be paying £300 pretty much just for a bit of software which was the dealers main selling point.£300 for what seemed like nothing more than what you would get from a free app somewhere.ok.....so there is a small bit of hardware......but that can't be worth £300. BTW I am referring to the connect here. For £30 you can buy a wireless receiver and transmitter to plug intoyour amp and tablet/PC/phone and if you are only interested in one room listening, this must do as good a job as sonos? I know so now has a reputation for being so easy to use.....but I went for the Bluetooth receiver and tablet option.....and it is incredibly straightforward and easy to use....what could be easier than opening up tablet case,pressing the iPlayer app,and listening to whatever you like.I could just as easily press the spotify or Google play or tune in radio app..?

 Anyhoo,like I said...I am probably totally barking up wrong tree.....but I just don't get sonos if you already have HiFi setup and are only listening in one room.   :O

 

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Firstly I must say that wooleys argument about iPod having Logitech app that was a nail in that particular logitech coffin seemed to be completely believable and probable.

 I would just like to add my probably quite unimportant and misplaced thoughts on sonos. I was looking for a fairly cheap and simple streaming solution....I had a quick intro into sonos at my HiFi dealers.....but all I could understand was that I would be paying £300 pretty much just for a bit of software which was the dealers main selling point.£300 for what seemed like nothing more than what you would get from a free app somewhere.ok.....so there is a small bit of hardware......but that can't be worth £300. BTW I am referring to the connect here. For £30 you can buy a wireless receiver and transmitter to plug intoyour amp and tablet/PC/phone and if you are only interested in one room listening, this must do as good a job as sonos? I know so now has a reputation for being so easy to use.....but I went for the Bluetooth receiver and tablet option.....and it is incredibly straightforward and easy to use....what could be easier than opening up tablet case,pressing the iPlayer app,and listening to whatever you like.I could just as easily press the spotify or Google play or tune in radio app..?

 Anyhoo,like I said...I am probably totally barking up wrong tree.....but I just don't get sonos if you already have HiFi setup and are only listening in one room.   :O

 

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I questioned the cost of Sonos as well, but I am convinced it's perfectly justifiable. It's amongst the easiest & most robust streaming solutions out there.

Check this thread of mine:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/wi-fi/why-is-sonos-so-expensive

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Ok....cheers bb...I've just read your thread..and to me it seems sonos is for multiroom setups,and for people who do not currently have a decent HiFi system. But for me it definitely wasn't a viable option,even if various HiFi outlets might have suggested otherwise.

 

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I don't understand, why is it not for people with a decent hifi system?

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I don't understand, why is it not for people with a decent hifi system?

 

I think the point he was making that unless you're in to multiroom, if you just want to use it as a streamer, nothing that 30 quid raspberry pi and vortexbox plugged in to yer dac couldn't do...

 

edit - I probably missed the point..

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BenLaw wrote:
I don't understand, why is it not for people with a decent hifi system?

Snobbishness I think.

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BenLaw wrote:
I don't understand, why is it not for people with a decent hifi system?

Snobbishness I think.

What he says.

I feed my Sonos Connect to a Devialet. It's brilliant.

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.....,and for people who do not currently have a decent HiFi system. ......

 

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The reason for including the screen was for functionality that otherwise didnt exist, unless you had an iphone, which most people didnt at the time. The Duet was biggest seller until the touch (or the latest device), and when they sold them seperately, no one bought the handset as it was almost the price of a ipod Touch. This came from a retailer who sold a lot of these.

I did not remotely imply the logitech devices were sold at a loss, I reffered to the margin - there wasn't enough in it without the screen, hence why its attached to the latest device.

Its well know in electronics that Apple's iphone replaced many dedicated electronic device business. It is also why Sonos don't sell as many controllers. Or Philips new lighting range has begun replacing dedicated light controllers for apps as another example.

Its only my opinion about iPhone, and user generate wikipedia is not neccessarily fact either.

Yep, the iPhone / iPod touch was the nail in the coffin for many handheld controllers.  The logitech duet's handset, the Sonos CR200 handheld, all fell beofre the mighty iDevice.  The wrinkle for Sonos owners is that the iDevice only works with Wifi, not the Sonos MESH network, so depending on your system topology, you may have to replicate Wifi coverage around your house to make your controller work.

I believe the nail in the coffin for the squeezebox range as a whole was the disaster that was the Logitech / Google Revue.  Not sure if they sold any Revues, but it was part of the 'Logitech Streaming Media' division, and it looked as if the whole lot got ditched as damage control.

 

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Yep, the iPhone / iPod touch was the nail in the coffin for many handheld controllers.  The logitech duet's handset, the Sonos CR200 handheld, all fell beofre the mighty iDevice.

Yeah, that's right, it had nothing to do with Android devices at all did it? Actually, one of the main reasons Sonos discontinued the CR200 was because they had so many reliability issues with them and it wasn't worth trying to come up with a new controller when you could buy any $99 Android tablet and use it for that instead.

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The wrinkle for Sonos owners is that the iDevice only works with Wifi, not the Sonos MESH network, so depending on your system topology, you may have to replicate Wifi coverage around your house to make your controller work.

Or you could just use an Android device which CAN connect directly to the Sonos mesh network, which is a hell of a lot easier.

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I think the term 'HiFi' has been warped over the past few years. To me it used to mean reproducing music at such a level that it sounded like the original artist/instruments were in the room playing for you. But thesedays any old speaker dock/bluetooth system will claim to produce 'HiFi sound'.

I agree with bigboss (his other thread is worth a read) - the Connect unit from Sonos is, in fact, a great facilitator in getting music into your amplified system and then separate items can be used to minimise further loss.

I personally stream lossless music into a Arcam Solo unit, via a Sonos Connect and Arcam rDac using some pretty good interconnects and speaker cable thereafter (more than most people deem worthwhile on a £279 Sonos unit) and the results are truly excellent. Even the Spotify music I stream is fine at reasonable volumes.

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