The Connect has been proven to give a bit-perfect output,
Sonos > M-DAC, Beyerdynamic A1, FiiO E17/E9, HLLY DMK-IV, STAX Lambdas, Denon AH-D5000, Sennheiser HD-600, Beyerdynamic DT770, MCA customs - Magnum V4's, Sennheiser HD-265 linear, Sennheiser CX300-II.
No signature worth mentioning...
Main gear: Mac Mini > HRT Streamer II+ > Marantz PM66 KI > Mission 794
Also cluttering-up the place:
Thorens TD160 no cartridge; Marantz CD63 mkII KI; Technics SL-P777; Cyrus 2 + PSX; Cyrus Tuner; Nakamichi DR-1
I'm quite surprised. I think the play 3 is terrific for what it is.
I have one in each bedroom. I really need to try them in stereo mode.
TV room : Samsung 60" plasma-ATV3, Denon DBP2012UD-Yamaha RXV3067-AVI ADM9RSS,MA RSW12,/Sonos ZP90 via optical, Sky+ HD & Sky Connector, PS3
HiFi : Sonos ZP90 - AVI ADM40
Bedrooms : 2 x Sonos Play 3
Ipad for Sonos & Spotify
I'm slightly surprised then, the Play:5 gets pretty decent reviews (and can be configured as a stereo pair but for double the price obviously but hey, it's active, ergo, must be the best sounding system ever!).
One other point, what amp and speakers would you recommend for £300 all-in then? Bear in mind you need to include a source as well...
I didn't mention source, I said amp and speakers
As for which ones, well the newest budget speakers I've ever heard are the Q-Acoustics 2020, I thought they sounded brilliant, and the 'i' version won a WHF awardf last year. Amp? No idea, but £150 should find something that will drive them well.
Don't get me wrong I can see the market for them, but in SQ terms alone, I can't say I was moved. The ones I listened to were £300 each, so that's £600 for a stereo pair. I've been away from the new hifi scene for a while, but I'm confident that for £600 I could walk into a HiFi shop with the same money and put together a simple system which would blow them out the water sonically. But that's not the full story of course if you need the additional flexibility and features, and I appreciate that.
I know, but the Play series are amp, speakers AND source, in one package, so you need to include that in your price comparisons!
I don't think I'd be moved by anything in PC World, I've stood in the big Curry's "demo" room and mucked about with various "proper" amp and speaker setups for quite some time and all I came away with was a ringing in my ears, it did nothing to help me tell one set of speakers from another.
It's not really a good comparison. You buy Sonos for its functionality, its unfair to compare just amp & speakers. You'd have to get at least some type of streamer too.
I've just bought a play 3 for £209. Double and that's £418. So you'd need to buy a streamer, amp and speakers. More clutter. A pair of play 3s would make a simple solution for a bedroom / bedsit.
In answer to the OP, Sonos devices use WiFi to create a MESH network. This is involves each device in the MESH receiving and rebroadcasting the WiFi signal. While it is more robust than simple point to point WiFi, it takes up hardware and WiFi bandwidth resources. As a result, the current Sonos architechture won't cope with HiRes. Sonos would have to launch a separate range for HiRes that wouldn't fit with the current range, and I guess they don't see the market for it. Much angst on the Sonos forum about this.
As for audiophile, the 'Connect' has a middling reputation for jitter, over 200pS RMS if I recall correctly. If your DAC is sensitive to jitter, then this may matter. If your DAC is insensitive to jitter, then the connect will be just as good as any other streamer you might buy.
Why would you want to change the power supply?
I'm still querying it I'd still love Sonos, still can't justify it. The speakers seem like fair value (although I was also disappointed with the sound of both of them) but the Connect just baffles me. I'm easily baffled though.
Depends really. Many of my friends raise their eyebrows when I say how much the two ZP90s I have cost, but then for music playback, they're by far the most used bits of kit I have so easily worth the price.
i agree completely with The Prof; the connects are now my main source of music, and having instant access to 700cds has helped me rediscover my music.
i have a connect attached to main hifi, av setup and kitchen 'compact' hifi.
The bug then arrievd and I use a play5 as a 'portable' source for other rooms/garden
If you have a decent amount of existing 'hifi' equipment, the connect allows access without you having to throw anything away; it just adds an additional (and very useable) source to your current set up.
it is so user friendlly, and i can't tell the difference between the connect and my Cd player (admittedly my cd player is quite aged!)
it is addictive
1 the market/profit margin for deleloping/marketing these products is just not worth it.
2. If you play from 16/44 source thats more than good enough for the level of components in the connect. No way you would hear the difference on a Play 3/5. 95%+ market use mp3's/spotify etc
3. Bandwith/wireless issues sending Hi res data.
I think I will buy a connect for my living room Hifi in the summer andpaybe a play3 or 5 for kitchen/garden in summer .. I used to think the connect was overpricved but the fuctionality, especialy on the iPad app is just flawless.. Thats what you are paying for! You could pick up my Cambridge Audio 540a + 540c + speakers second hand for under £300. So that (or similar NAD/rotel/marantz etc) plus a connect would be a very nice setup for under £500ish. I heard the Play 3 and 5 and I think they're are both good at what they do.. Basier than you'd think and a lot more refined sounding than most £200-£300 iPod docks IMO.. I think the sub is ovepriced..
Electrocompaniet PI 2 | Naim ND5 XS | Chord Epic | ProAc Studio 115
Now that Squeeze has gone the way of the dodo, Sonos have the mid range multi room field to themselves and can charge whatever the market will bear. Although not directly comparable, the Raspberry Pi is not that different to the ZP90 (if anything it is more powerful), and can be had for about £30. It would not be unreasonable to assume that the BOM costs for the ZP90 are similar, so even with a 100% retailers margin, Sonos should be doing quite well out of the ZP90.
The unknown is of course the volumes Sonos ship and the development costs that need to be amortised. A £30 device that costs £1M to develop and only sells 1000 units still costs £1000 to break even.
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