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There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.
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Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

 

Exactly.  Rimse would you only use a specific brand of cable to print a picture or make a back-up of your hard-drive?  Of course not the idea is preposterous as is hdmi and usb cables affecting bass or treble or blacker blacks.

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hammill wrote:

Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

Gentlemen - I refer you to my earlier post.  It does make a difference if you are streaming.  It matters if you are streaming video / audio. 

USB also has different transfer modes.  There is a specific one called (I think)  isochronous.  This can be used for audio / video trstreaming transfer and can result in data loss.  USB bulk data transfer mode is used I think for non-streaming transfers.

I am not saying that there is much difference or that a $600 cable is a must buy but I agree that people should try and see.

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I think data loss or its effective transfer might be a consequence of poorly designed / implemented cable. 

 

However, the whole treble, bass sibilance etc stuff really seems like b*##*#ks to me. The types of post like Rimses give hi Fi fans / audiophiles a bad name. Deservedly in this case. 

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hammill wrote:

Rimse wrote:

There is difference between free usb printer cable and expensive ones.Expensive one usually accentuate bass,high,mids,remove sibilance or add it .

A cable transferring digital data cannot do any of those things, except via the placebo effect.

Gentlemen - I refer you to my earlier post.  It does make a difference if you are streaming.  It matters if you are streaming video / audio. 

USB also has different transfer modes.  There is a specific one called (I think)  isochronous.  This can be used for audio / video trstreaming transfer and can result in data loss.  USB bulk data transfer mode is used I think for non-streaming transfers.

I am not saying that there is much difference or that a $600 cable is a must buy but I agree that people should try and see.

Data loss, possibly, but this will cause random effects. Sometimes no signal (most likely) or some horrible noise or pixellation effect. It cannot cause sibilance or too little/ too much bass etc - that is what we are objecting to.
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Gentlemen - I refer you to my earlier post.  It does make a difference if you are streaming.  It matters if you are streaming video / audio. 

USB also has different transfer modes.  There is a specific one called (I think)  isochronous.  This can be used for audio / video trstreaming transfer and can result in data loss.  USB bulk data transfer mode is used I think for non-streaming transfers.

I am not saying that there is much difference or that a $600 cable is a must buy but I agree that people should try and see.

Yes, the mode used for streaming audio/video over USB is called isochronous.  Bulk mode is used for printing, copying files, etc.  Bulk mode includes a re-transmit if errors are detected, isochronous doesn't.

An out of specification and really bad cable could introduce jitter, but even if it did introduce so many errors that they became audible, this wouldn't be more bass or treble, it would jsut be random noise.  

Just use USB certified cables and you'll be fine.  My advice would be to steer clear of audiophile cables - unless you want something that looks cool/expensive   Smile

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Who buys usb cables these days? I have about 30 in all.

Question and answer Wink

I'm assuming he meant he has that many kicking around due to always receiving a free one when he buys some equipment (we'll ignore the fact that they aren't actually free and the price is incorporated into the price paid for the piece of kit one purchases).

I'm also prepared to accept that he may have stolen them, which is why mine always seem to go missing. Or that he used to purchase them all the time, so has no need to "these days".

 

You were right first time. 

Yes, I have a box full of the darn things! You get them free with phones, computer bits and bobs, media players, computers, even a motherboard I bought once, printers, PS3 accessories, etc etc. 

Lots of different colours and sizes, some with micro-usb, some with that squarish end whose name escapes me. 

The only difference between a cheap USB cable and an expensive audiophile one, is the price, some fancy looking padding and a nice logo.

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A USB cable (Just like any digital interconnect) DOES NOT and I repeat DOES NOT carry any audio or video, only Digital Data, therefore all this talk of sound change is poppycock. (Studio engineers and professionals usually fall over laughing when they hear Hi Fi users talking rubbish like that)

So to sum up, there is NO difference in sound or video between a £5 USB cable and a $600 cable, if you don’t believe me, try a blind test between the two and I can guarantee 100% that you will not hear any difference.

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abacus wrote:

A USB cable (Just like any digital interconnect) DOES NOT and I repeat DOES NOT carry any audio or video, only Digital Data, therefore all this talk of sound change is poppycock. (Studio engineers and professionals usually fall over laughing when they hear Hi Fi users talking rubbish like that)

So to sum up, there is NO difference in sound or video between a £5 USB cable and a $600 cable, if you don’t believe me, try a blind test between the two and I can guarantee 100% that you will not hear any difference.

Bill

Bill, I think you will have to accept that not everyone will agree with you however loud you shout and however often you repeat it.  I'm quite sure that a lot of expensive "audiophile" USB cables are nothing special; they are no more than cons, but I for one believe that there are some rather special USB cables available.  When I have a need, which currently I don't, I will compare.

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I'm quite sure that a lot of expensive "audiophile" USB cables are nothing special; they are no more than cons, but I for one believe that there are some rather special USB cables available.  When I have a need, which currently I don't, I will compare.

I recomend you give a listen to the D-Fi from Vertere, when the time comes.  :silenced:

 

 

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I recomend you give a listen to the D-Fi from Vertere, when the time comes.  :silenced:

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I recomend you give a listen to the D-Fi from Vertere, when the time comes.  :silenced:

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Specifically designed to unearth audiophile performance from your Laptop, Tablet or Smartphone. D-Fi will make your portable listening experience a little more personal.

The Double D variation of Vertere's 5-Star Pulse D-Fi USB cable may look similar, but it uses double the amount of coppor conductors, thereby isolating the power and data transmission respectively and allowing for an even better signal. 

The Vertere Acoustics USB cable is designed to connect your laptop or PC / MAC to a wide range of audio devices such as a standalone DAC or a USB input on an existing Hi-Fi component.  The Pulse D-Fi construction facilitates the transmission of data between devices with minimal interference. If your input device is Asynchronous USB compatible, this cable will breathe new life into your listening experience.

With teflon insulated coppor conductors that will neither inhibit or colour the sound, and a striking silver braid with a transparent PVC outer jacket, the D-Fi range offers a performance that belies its modest price.

 

I'd prefer it if they could spell 'copper'...

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Where else will these audio vile companies identify an opportunity to take our cash. 

 

Perhaps they could badge up an air filter, this will remove any impurities / pollution from the air that will improve Wi Fi streaming. And thus improve audio on wireless streamers. Mind you if you can think of it, it probably exists already Smile

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abacus wrote:

A USB cable (Just like any digital interconnect) DOES NOT and I repeat DOES NOT carry any audio or video, only Digital Data, therefore all this talk of sound change is poppycock. (Studio engineers and professionals usually fall over laughing when they hear Hi Fi users talking rubbish like that)

So to sum up, there is NO difference in sound or video between a £5 USB cable and a $600 cable, if you don’t believe me, try a blind test between the two and I can guarantee 100% that you will not hear any difference.

Bill

Absolutely correct BUT that won't stop people from hearing a difference.

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