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RE: russ andrews torlyte vtownshend seismic isolation platform ?

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i suppose if isolation is the correct route, several layers of bubble wrap under a component may help ?

You are Tony Bolton and I claim my five clams.  :grin:

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tony who ? never heard of him...

 

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In my experience I find that the support platform is only really of importance in the case of record players.

Suspended players all appear to benefit from isolation on a lightweight platform, some 'solid' players too though I only have experience of Rega (lots) and Clearaudio (a little).

In general terms Turntable suspension appears to be much less effective at lower frequencies, <100hz. A light, rigid support is generally good at not passing low frequency vibration so is great for isolating a player from it's environment, highly recommended, by me anyway. Spiking, often in several  'layers' worked too in this case.

I had some dealings with Townsend in the dim past and I found his products to be pretty good generally, though his 'explanations' often seemed to make no real sense. I could never understand quite what the Seismic Sink was supposed to do, it was claimed to reduce vibration in components placed on it, though where the vibrations come from in, say, the case of a dac or solid state amp was never made clear. It appeared to make a difference with some components of a 'delicate' disposition and on or two of our clients used them but we never really bothered with them much.

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thanks for your reply davedotco. i thought that "isolation" supports actually trapped any vibration inside the components (such as cd players spinning a disk) hence making any problems worse ? its strange that two completely different products claim the same sonic benefits.......

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I dunno. There will be naysayers (like TrevC), but the first time I got a HiFi Racks stand I was pretty impressed. Solid wood seemed to do the trick for me, it changed the sound for the better considerably.

 

 

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I dunno. There will be naysayers (like TrevC), but the first time I got a HiFi Racks stand I was pretty impressed. Solid wood seemed to do the trick for me, it changed the sound for the better considerably.

Unsurprisingly, I'm also someone who believes that the material your hifi sits on has a subtle but noticeable effect eg. Wood, Glass, Granite, Metal, Sorbothane. Personally, I like wood for its damping qualities, which is the opposite of resonating materials like Glass.

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JoelSim wrote:

I dunno. There will be naysayers (like TrevC), but the first time I got a HiFi Racks stand I was pretty impressed. Solid wood seemed to do the trick for me, it changed the sound for the better considerably.

Unsurprisingly, I'm also someone who believes that the material your hifi sits on has a subtle but noticeable effect eg. Wood, Glass, Granite, Metal, Sorbothane. Personally, I like wood for its damping qualities, which is the opposite of resonating materials like Glass.

Generally glass is not the best material yet the best turntable support I have ever used was the Mana. Despite the hype and the other nonsense surrounding the product, this was consistently the best.

When considering equipment supports it helps a lot if you know what you are trying to achieve, are you trying to isolate a component from it's environment, or conduct energy away from the component in question? 

I think they are separate issues and need to be considered as such. 

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Generally glass is not the best material yet the best turntable support I have ever used was the Mana. Despite the hype and the other nonsense surrounding the product, this was consistently the best.

When considering equipment supports it helps a lot if you know what you are trying to achieve, are you trying to isolate a component from it's environment, or conduct energy away from the component in question? 

I think they are separate issues and need to be considered as such. 

IMO it's easy to over think all this.....I try a variety of materials and see how they effect the sound (some isolate and some drain energy and turn it into heat). The same solution doesn't necessarily work with every component.

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davedotco wrote:

Generally glass is not the best material yet the best turntable support I have ever used was the Mana. Despite the hype and the other nonsense surrounding the product, this was consistently the best.

When considering equipment supports it helps a lot if you know what you are trying to achieve, are you trying to isolate a component from it's environment, or conduct energy away from the component in question? 

I think they are separate issues and need to be considered as such. 

IMO it's easy to over think all this.....I try a variety of materials and see how they effect the sound (some isolate and some drain energy and turn it into heat). The same solution doesn't necessarily work with every component.

Far too 'random' for me.

I like to have at least some idea of what is happening, makes it much easier (for me) to work out what works and what does not.

Undoubtably the curse of an engineering background...... Wink

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Far too 'random' for me.

I like to have at least some idea of what is happening, makes it much easier (for me) to work out what works and what does not.

Undoubtably the curse of an engineering background...... Wink

I have "an idea" what's going on, but no more than that........I suspect it's more complicated than it would appear. What works, is often easier to figure out, than exactly why it works.

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RE: russ andrews torlyte versus

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davedotco wrote:

Far too 'random' for me.

I like to have at least some idea of what is happening, makes it much easier (for me) to work out what works and what does not.

Undoubtably the curse of an engineering background...... Wink

I have "an idea" what's going on, but no more than that........I suspect it's more complicated than it would appear. What works, is often easier to figure out, than exactly why it works.

I'm probably 'over egging' this but I like to be able to work out what is going on, trying different things help me to understand what is happening so that I can move my experiments in the right direction.

Over the years I have worked out a number of simple tecniques that allow me to tune a system to get best results, and perhaps more importantly work out why a system is not performing to the standard expected.

As a dealer I found this invaluable, being able to walk into almost any home and improve the sound of a system by making quite modest changes was a big bonus. Not involved in this anymore of course, but these days it just gives me a basis for setting up any system, a sort of 'best practice'.

Nothing very clever, just a fair amount of experience combined with a straightforward, logical method. 

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Nothing very clever, just a fair amount of experience combined with a straightforward, logical method. 

I agree......theory only gets you so far.

 

 

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davedotco wrote:
Over the years I have worked out a number of simple tecniques that allow me to tune a system to get best results, and perhaps more importantly work out why a system is not performing to the standard expected.

Would you care to share your wisdom, I've been working on isolation tweaks with my Rega Planar 2 for the last month with fair results.

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davedotco wrote:

Nothing very clever, just a fair amount of experience combined with a straightforward, logical method. 

I agree......theory only gets you so far.

Half agree....... :?

There are some aspects of equipment support that are straightforward and quite easily understood. Most obvious being the use of a light, rigid support for a suspended turntable, just like using two overlapping filters. This is well known and well understood.

More interesting is the effect of different supports on components that can, in some circumstances, be subject to microphony, 'solid' record players or valve amplifiers for example and of course components that generate their own vibration like cd players/transports.

Again, the effects of some supports are quite predictable but sometimes there are results that are, at first experience, counter intuitive. Sometimes you do just have to try it and see

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Again, the effects of some supports are quite predictable but sometimes there are results that are, at first experience, counter intuitive. Sometimes you do just have to try it and see

That is what I'm trying to get at......I think we probably are not that far apart.

 

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