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I'm planning to upgrade my audioengine a2's to my first proper hifi-system. I've been searching for a while now and can't find serious comparisons between these speakers: 

Dynaudio 2/7 

Dynaudio excite x12 (one (serious?) comparison said the former was better)

Monitor Audio rx2

Paradigm studio 10

Epos m5i

 

Looks are not important, budget is sub 700 pounds and it is for a bedroom (13 by 16). 

I listen most of the time rock (pink floyd, chameleons uk, joy division...) and ambient dubstep (eg mount kimbie), so good vocals and deep, controlled and precise bass are also required.

 

Tips for decent integrated amplifiers at the same price level (preferable a little bit lower, around 400-500 pounds) with any of those speakers would be very welcome.

 

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Dynaudio 2/7

If you can, stretch your funds to buy the Leema Pulse thats reduced at Sevenoaks.

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Having heard the Dyno speakers numerous times and owned the RX2's; I'd be going for the latter every day, more so with your taste in music

Partnered with the likes of a decent NAD, Arcam, Rotel, Leema or Musical Fidelity amp (& a good source such as a 2nd hand Rega Apollo) you'll have a cracking system

Mount Kimbie Crooks & Lovers album sounds FANTASTIC through the RX2's

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IMO the RX2s are not a very balanced speaker, their bass is overblown and flabby and they are very difficult to position without them sounding boomy. The treble is also very in your face and fatiguing.

I'd personally go for either of the Dynaudios or perhaps the Epos.

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I have to say rubbish to that above comment. They're superb speakers as are the dynaudios & epos but with the wrong amp, source and cabling any speaker can sound bad!

What did you hear/demo the RX2's with; also, what music?

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Dynaudio 2/7

If you can, stretch your funds to buy the Leema Pulse that's reduced at Sevenoaks.

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hifilover1979 wrote:
I have to say rubbish to that above comment. They're superb speakers as are the dynaudios & epos but with the wrong amp, source and cabling any speaker can sound bad! What did you hear/demo the RX2's with; also, what music?

A friend had a pair, partenered with Marantz and Nad amplification. They were fatiguing with both and very boomy, more so with the Nad, i think it was a C320 BEE, can't recall what the marantz was.

He got rid and bought a pair of B&W CM5s which are much better in his and my opinion.

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I've heard the Dynaudios and the MA RX2s, as well as the RX1s, B&W CM1s, and KEF Q300s (the last of which I have owned).

I have to say I wasn't totally taken with the Dynaudios.  They were clearly very talented in so many respects, yet I just couldn't settle to listening to them for some reason.

I found the RX2s to be very good, if a little bassy for my tastes.  I actually prefer the RX1s which I found more balanced overall.  A dealer I discussed them with felt exactly the same, though I would think that for more bass heavy music the RX2s could work very well indeed.  The RX1 and RX2 are very involving and both manage excellent detail levels without being clinical.

The CM1s were awful when I heard them.  All bass and treble with no real midrange performance.  The bass was flabby and poorly controlled and the whole thing was just noisy to me.  Miles behind the RX1 or RX2.

The KEF Q300s are very well balanced speakers and do the hi-fi things extremely well, but they aren't as involving as the MA RX series IMO.  Like the RX2 they need plenty of space around them to give their best.

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Another vote for Dynaudio 2/7, much more sophisticated sound than the MA, you did specify controlled precise bass.

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As an Epos-fan i must vote for the Epos M5i. Look for the review in Stereophile. It will give you an honest sound which, to me, never can be wrong.

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RE: Paradigm, Dynaudio, Monitor Audio or Epos

for your budget and music taste I'd go for active studio monitors. once again a vote for Dynaudios (maybe Dynaudio BM5a MK II would be a good choice).

I don't know what is your source but I presume it might be a computer in which case for a complete system all you need is a USB DAC + preamp with XLR outs (studio monitors almost exclusively have XLR ins) in which case Matrix DAC would be a good match.

add some XLR interconnects and you have a complete system for about GBP 1100 - 1200.

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For sure, all good speakers and I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.  However, the Dyns will outclass the others IMO.  They are just richer, more textured, and overall have a more sophisticated and musical sound.  But then, I'm a die hard Dynaudio fan and listening to them right now.

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Thanks for the replies, really appreciate it a lot.

@hifilover: can I ask you why you stuck with the bx5's and sold the rx2? And would you agree that the rx2's are more fatiguing than the dynaudio's?

@matthewpiano: like your thinking man! read practically everywhere that rx2 was in every aspect a little bit better, but then again, for a relatively  small room, rx2 are maybe a little bit too much... Could you explain why you liked the ma more than the dynaudios? warmer sound? heard that the ma can be a little bit harsh (although I read that the rs had this quite a bit more than the rx's). I also read a lot of reviews on whathifi and a lot of 5 stars and then they say: easier to admire than to love. Do they mean with that they sound too realistic? cause you love something when it's totally different than the rest no?

@rethep: read the review multiple times and they were not as raving about it as about the dynaudio x12's, but clearly no fans (for the x12) here, and actually couldn't find a lot of fans (nor for the epos, due to rareness?). Whathifi reviews more reliable than stereophile in the real world? They (stereophile) do listen to totally different music than the average listeners, in totally different quality (my library of itunes is my only source and it doesn't go higher than 320 kps, but als not lower) and they do set up 600 dollar speakers with 5000 dollar amps...

@oldric_naubhoff: I am new to all this, but you're saying that matrix dac + dynaudio + pre-amplifier (not integrated?) will give best results?

 

No paradigm fans here? read only good things about it...

And also, as i mentioned earlier, my library only contains 320 kbps, I read some raving reviews about speakers and than ended with: they can be too revealing and if your quality of the source isn't that good, they will enlarge this (eg eb acoustics eb2). So maybe that leaves out a few? or can 320 be fixed with a decent dac to sound as good as a decent cd player or flac-files?

And is it maybe best for the long term to choose a very neutral amp like rotel or better marantz, which read from reviews do tend to sound warmer. Or yamaha as-500? very exciting review on whathifi, but on the fora, not that many fans...

 

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and what about dm 2/7 vs x12? x12 a no go? most of you seem to recommend the dm 2/7, while the x12 is in a range higher...

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What we all think is in many ways irrelevent, as it's all so subjective. Since the speakers sound so different, your preference will become clear after a demo. Also, synergy with the amp is crucial.

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