David@Frank Harvey Hi-Fi

Why don't you give him a ring tomorrow, i can't help thinking this is not the place to discuss business, although i could be wrong.

If he answers he will be shot (for trading)! 

Sorry if this is against the rules..... mods close this if it is, there's no facility to pm anyone.

if I'm out of order pls feel free to close.

                 Entrapment    

Sorry, been away over the weekend for e girlfriend's birthday

All of our *010 Yamaha stock has now gone - deals like that sell out very quickly here

  What's an " e girlfriend "  ?   Someone you talk to on the computer ?    I've heard of those .

Bloody IPad. You can guess where my next post is going to be....

I think an "e girlfriend" is a synonym for "avatar".  Surely people who work in hifi shops don't have real girlfriends. 

Chris

Well we supposedly don't live in the real world, so that could be true...

Sorry to bother you again but I read you, you listen to the kit you sell,  in your opinion how would a £1000 reciever like the Yamaha rx-a1010/1020 or the Pioneer SC-LX55/56 compare to the current glut of 700poundish  stereo amps for stereo playback.

Have you ever taken the time to set up this level of rx properly and compare them.....

(Currently looking at the SC-lx56 special offer upto £400 trade in...)

cheers, in antisipation.

To add what I mean by set up properly, I mean turn off all unused channels on the rx'er, turn the left and right main levels up to their max and use the  digital coax (copper) input - CD as transport only and turn the DSP off (bi-amp the speakers if possible).......

That's one way of avoiding her

I do have a reply I typed up last night on the iPad, but I fell asleep. I'll send it when I get to work.

The only way to get the best audio quality out of an AV receiver is to turn off all superfluous circuitry - you don't want any processing going on that will degrade or interfere with two channel performance. Also, the front speakers should ideally be used full range without the sub, but this will depend on the type of speakers/sub used and their ultimate abilities.

Again, whether you use the onboard digital/analogue conversion of the CD player or AV receiver really depends on which contains the best quality DAC, the result of which may well come down to personal preference. 

AV receivers have improved greatly over the past 5 years, but I think they're in danger of being dragged back down by the AV receiver manufacturers in their 'race' to be the most full featured for the cheapest price. This type of "market share" war usually ends up with the majority of the budget being spent on features in order to attract more sales, leaving less to be spent on what actually matters - underneath all of the features and usability, it is an amplifier, and an amplifier's job is to tell the speaker what to do and when to do it. I personally feel this type of compromise usually disappears when options for pre/power amps are introduced.

As I say though, they have greatly improved, and the current £1k receivers like the Onkyo 818 and Pioneer SCLX56 do offer good two channel performance, certainly good enough for most people to live with to form the heart of a 'do it all' system.

One of the things to remember though is that any amplifier or receiver can sound naff when it is presented with a speaker that it doesn't have the ability to cope with properly. The trick is to stick to speakers that it can cope with - do this and they can compete quite favourably with similarly priced hi-fi amplifiers. Of course, much will also be down to expectation, and also knowing exactly what any one individual is aiming for, whether that be within their budget or not. Until you know what's possible, its hard to know exactly what you're looking for.

Yes I hear you but what I need is an appraisal…I know its your work and you are probably busy but have you ever set one of these amps up and compared it  to the 700pounds+  amps on site….

I currently have a Rotel ra-1520 paired with a pair of Mission 782se and frankly it can’t control them, like most of the amps I auditioned before buying, the signature is similar loud but without real power (lacks timbre, fine detail and the ability to push the music outside the boxes) prior to this I was using an old Yamaha dsp-AX620 which did deliver all these things. (Now under my telly)

So I have concluded…eh…em… my speakers require the power/current an amp capable of driving 5 or 7 full range speakers can deliver to sing. 60watts p/c is not enough no matter the Quality of the signal…..prrrft.

I was considering the Yamaha 673 which is currently about 450pounds and falling but these 1000pound models from last year are now going for  very similar  money so this is the direction I’m moving to its for stereo playback.

And methinks it is the only way to really gain on my old rx

My intention is not to put you out, but…would it be possible for you to compare a couple of these directly and give us or me an objective appraisal . If you can.....I'm reading you.....