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Cyrus 6xp cd6se Thin, bright , lean help!!!
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I have just borought the new Cyrus 6xp and cd6se with chord chameloen innterconnect and van den hul teatract speaker cable.

I'm running a old set of Castle Harlech S2 which are a bit forward and bright on there own. 

The system has been running for 3 days solid and would have thought that it is more or less run in by now.

I brought this system of the back of owning some older cyrus gear namely a cd8x + a8 with some kef q35 quite a few years back and loved.

I am looking to upgrade amp cd player in the future to 8 series spec, but in the short term looking to change the speakers, I have a budget of up to £2000, any suggestions to get a fuller warmer sound.

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Hi Eddy, welcome to the forum (and the new year).

Firstly, you need to be 100% certain that you like the Cyrus sound compared to other brands at the same price....did you listen to anything else at the time you made the recent change?
I don't think the Castle's are bright, lean speakers; so I don't know if you can fully solve your problem with speakers.

If you want to try, look to Dynaudio, Spendor and Proac.

My advice would be to listen to other brands, in order to make sure that Cyrus is the right sound for you.

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Thanks for reply happy new to you to,

I listen to them at my local  hifi dealers and loved them, that was through some spendors, which model i'm not sure.

The detail is great so is the imaging but really lacks weight and punch, was'nt sure weather its a cable issue or speaker, i was using the Castle harlechs s2 "which were known at the time for being a little bright which is unusal for castle" with marantz pm 17 and dv7600 which balanced really nice. With acoustic and vocal they sound great but anything more weighty they really struggle.

thanks eddy

 

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Eddy, not that it is much consolation, but what you describe if familiar with a number (but by no means all of course) or people who have listened to all Cyrus systems. I found it too weedy both in the shop and at home, at least until you get into the pre/mono power options with separarte PSUs but that's getting to silly money levels.

I think you would find Rokan a more satisfying tonal balance, and Naim if you want something in between.

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eddy wrote:

Thanks for reply happy new to you to,

I listen to them at my local  hifi dealers and loved them, that was through some spendors, which model i'm not sure.

The detail is great so is the imaging but really lacks weight and punch, was'nt sure weather its a cable issue or speaker, i was using the Castle harlechs s2 "which were known at the time for being a little bright which is unusal for castle" with marantz pm 17 and dv7600 which balanced really nice. With acoustic and vocal they sound great but anything more weighty they really struggle.

thanks eddy

 

Can you replicate at home exactly what you heard at the dealers (room acoustics aside), including cables/mains leads/expensive filtering etc.....Cyrus + Spendor are often a good mix.

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Thanks for reply guys

I could find out what was used in the dealers, I might go down the route of upgrading the amp to 8xp to get the power levels up and a power supply for the amp. Think i've got used to the very smooth sound of the pm17 and power, I love the realistic sound of the cyrus.

I think i will try a few different speaker combo out at local dealers

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eddy wrote:

Thanks for reply guys

I could find out what was used in the dealers, I might go down the route of upgrading the amp to 8xp to get the power levels up and a power supply for the amp. Think i've got used to the very smooth sound of the pm17 and power, I love the realistic sound of the cyrus.

I think i will try a few different speaker combo out at local dealers

IMO You should also try amps from Musical Fidelity and Leema, as they might give you the right compromise....it can't hurt, and helps to ensure your decision is the right one.

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Eddy, not that it is much consolation, but what you describe if familiar with a number (but by no means all of course) or people who have listened to all Cyrus systems. I found it too weedy both in the shop and at home, at least until you get into the pre/mono power options with separarte PSUs but that's getting to silly money levels.

I think you would find Rokan a more satisfying tonal balance, and Naim if you want something in between.

 

Afraid Steve's right, thats the Cyrus sound I'm familiar with, thin weedy and hard. I would never buy another Cyrus product again after hearing what I was missing out on.

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SteveR750 wrote:

Eddy, not that it is much consolation, but what you describe if familiar with a number (but by no means all of course) or people who have listened to all Cyrus systems. I found it too weedy both in the shop and at home, at least until you get into the pre/mono power options with separarte PSUs but that's getting to silly money levels.

I think you would find Rokan a more satisfying tonal balance, and Naim if you want something in between.

 

Afraid Steve's right, thats the Cyrus sound I'm familiar with, thin weedy and hard. I would never buy another Cyrus product again after hearing what I was missing out on.

That's cutting to the chase.....I was dancing round the issue, but it is also my worry.

Do lots of demoing with different alternatives, before parting with any money.

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You've had some great advice here.  No point blowing more money on the cyrus route until you are absolutely satisfied it is the right sound for you.  They make some great kit but I often feel that the more 'affordable' (!) end of their range is cleverly geared towards putting you on the box-adding upgrade route and that you can possibly achieve more enjoyable results for less with other brands.

There have been two occasions when I've enjoyed Cyrus kit.  The first was at an ex-colleagues house some years ago, where I was greeted with a big stack of Cyrus electronics and a pair of Mission 753 speakers.  The second was hearing another fairly big stack of Cyrus playing through some Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand speakers.  I've never been particularly bowled over by their so-called 'entry-level' products.

Try your existing kit with a range of different speakers but also audition alternative electronics before you starting spending more and more money chasing something which might end up being elusive with this particular path.

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Afraid Steve is NOT right- parituclarly in regard to the newer Cyrus kit (since the 8vs etc).

I have Cyrus pre/power combo which is not in the least "thin weedy and hard" and am not missing anything! Listening with the Audiovectors to female vocal is sublime. I have listened to a lot of gear and love the Cyrus detail.

I suspect you have 2 issues. The main culprit is likely the speakers with the Cyrus gear. Cyrus is very detailed. Speakers that pair well included: Audiovector (I would say that...), Dynaudio (but need lots of power), ATC (ditto), Spendor, PMC, Proac.  Are you able to take your speakers to the shop?

The second issue is power. The 6XP is not a particularly powerful amp. I don't know your speakers but unless they are sensitive, you may find the control lacking.

So, overall.... I suggest looking at your speakers.... If you don't want to change them, you may need to move from Cyrus.

 

 

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Steve is right if that is what he has heard from Cyrus kit.  There are no absolutes in all this and anybody's comments about hi-fi are relative to their own experience and preferences.

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My response was in reply to post #7: "Steve is right.." etc. This was an "absolute" statement, hence my "absolute" response.

"In my opinion" etc etc he is wrong. *Obviously* everything is opinion related to personal preferences etc.

In any case, I think the 6XP is probably best mated to sensitive standmount speakers in a smaller room.

 

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Thanks for response guys

I've got to admit the old cyrus kit that I had was very detailed and a bit lean, which was more my taste then warmer sounding kit , but the new gear that was on demo in the shop was much fuller but still had the cyrus trade mark sound.

I must admit i have been listening to them for the last few hours and they seem to be getting fuller sound, i don't know if they are fully run in yet.

Has any one had experience of the time it takes to run in the new cyrus gear.

 

 

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I like the Cyrus sound so my views are biased and my wallet is empty.

The Castle Harlecs are by reputation forward and bright, going by the reviews but they do have sensitivity of 89dB so the 6XP should have enough power for them. I have used Spendor A5's in the past and they will give you a different sound that you might be after. If you have liked the Cyrus sound in the past then it is well worth trying some different speakers before ditching your 6 series kit. Take your shoe boxes to your local dealer and have a listen there are lots of choices for two grand.

Does your CD6se have the se2 upgrade?

 

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Hi crossie

Yes its the cd6se2, I brought cyrus gear with the view to upgrade it over time, I new that the speakers would'nt be best suited to cyrus, but feel they are quite a bad match for cyrus.

I'am looking to upgarde the amp and cd to 8 series spec + power supplies.

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