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RE: ADM9RS or good British passive system?

Macspur wrote:

Good question Matt!

The only ProAcs I've owned were the floor stander Studio130 and I really did love those speakers... I did home demo the Response D18, but for the extra money I didn't feel the improvement in SQ warrented the outlay.

As for Harbeth, well, for me, they are not too disimelar to ProAc, but are just that much more balanced and able to handle a wider variety of music, giving  more natural clarity, seperation and depth.

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If I were in your position I'd be looking for a second-hand amp. The Sugden A21a mentioned by Mac is wonderful. They come up occasionally in the classifieds on Hifi Wigwam and PFM.

As for speakers, apart from Harbeth and Proac, I'd try to get a listen to some Kudos, Neat (eg Momentum 3i), Spendor, and Marshall Choong.

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I'd forgotten you'd had the Proacs.

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chebby wrote:

More people might get interested in buying ADMs if their corrrect price was quoted. (£1250?)

Quite often I see others doing what fr0g has just done...

"If you are after a system for under £2000 and you want stand mounts, then you won't get better SQ than with a pair of ADM9RS."

To me 'under £2000' is £1995 or £1999 or some similar figure. (Normal retail practice.)

A lot of people surf this forum who are not 'in the know' about all things AVI and they may not bother investigating a "system for under £2000" but could get very interested in the ADM9s if they were described as "a system for £1250" instead.  (Yes, the £750 difference between the two descriptions is a significant sum of money to a lot of people and could easily make a difference.)

Just trying to help.

 

 

I think, Chebby,  That the reason many quote 'under £2000' for an ADM9 system, is that the price including the sub-woofer is a little under £2000.

The latest ADM9RS, which on their own are not bass light, is as you say £1250.

 

Preferences regarding bass differ according to musical taste (RAP, club style, etc), and the need to accomodate low frequency sound effects from movie sounds.

 

Some peope think that the full ADM9 system (inc sub) as originally designed seven years ago, is the one to go for, but there was a major revision of the ADM9 system following the ADM9RS model which improved low bass response considerably, and consequently many users do not require the sub.

 

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MattSPL wrote:
altruistic.lemon wrote:

Even the sainted Ashley grudgingly admitted my Maggies would sound better.

Really? Now that I didn't think would every happen  Blum 3

 

It did not happen, its Lemon misquoting. 

 

 

Ah, I thought Ashley speaking the truth was too good to be true Smile

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MattSPL wrote:

BigH wrote:

MattSPL wrote:
altruistic.lemon wrote:

Even the sainted Ashley grudgingly admitted my Maggies would sound better.

Really? Now that I didn't think would every happen  Blum 3

 

It did not happen, its Lemon misquoting. 

 

 

Ah, I thought Ashley speaking the truth was too good to be true Smile

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Thanks Matt, 

I have managed to do lots of listening during my week off.

Proac D1 - Great detail, smooth sound

Harbeth P3esr - Probably preferred these, although a bit less obvious high frequency detail compared to the Proac, but a more realistic sound.

Spendor (small bookshelf) - Similar to Harbeth but sounded more mellow. 

Seeing them in the flesh, I'm reluctant to go any bigger than these models.

I listened to the AVI 9RS. Yes, these are very good for the money. Very clear definition of the different parts of the track. Didn't sound as sparkly as the Proac or Harbeth though. Didn't find the bass too light really.  

I think it comes down to the Harbeth P3esr and initially a fairly basic amplifier (with ample power) or the AVI. I warmed to these two options the most. 

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JohnBr wrote:

Thanks Matt, 

I have managed to do lots of listening during my week off.

Proac D1 - Great detail, smooth sound

Harbeth P3esr - Probably preferred these, although a bit less obvious high frequency detail compared to the Proac, but a more realistic sound.

Spendor (small bookshelf) - Similar to Harbeth but sounded more mellow. 

Seeing them in the flesh, I'm reluctant to go any bigger than these models.

I listened to the AVI 9RS. Yes, these are very good for the money. Very clear definition of the different parts of the track. Didn't sound as sparkly as the Proac or Harbeth though. Didn't find the bass too light really.  

I think it comes down to the Harbeth P3esr and initially a fairly basic amplifier (with ample power) or the AVI. I warmed to these two options the most. 

 

That was quick, where did you manage to hear them? 

 

 

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Hmm, to me, sparkle sounds like distortion.

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Hmm, to me, sparkle sounds like distortion.

Ashley James once wrote:
The very low crossover point with (sic) make the top "sparkle" and now the 9RSS actually have more bass than the Dynaudios, so prove that what we've been saying all along is correct.

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JohnBr wrote:

Thanks Matt, 

I have managed to do lots of listening during my week off.

Proac D1 - Great detail, smooth sound

Harbeth P3esr - Probably preferred these, although a bit less obvious high frequency detail compared to the Proac, but a more realistic sound.

Spendor (small bookshelf) - Similar to Harbeth but sounded more mellow. 

Seeing them in the flesh, I'm reluctant to go any bigger than these models.

I listened to the AVI 9RS. Yes, these are very good for the money. Very clear definition of the different parts of the track. Didn't sound as sparkly as the Proac or Harbeth though. Didn't find the bass too light really.  

I think it comes down to the Harbeth P3esr and initially a fairly basic amplifier (with ample power) or the AVI. I warmed to these two options the most. 

Sounds like you've been busy!

I think either would be a very good purchase. I've heard both, and I agree with your verdict. I do think Harbeths have something magically natural about them. 

Cheers,

Matt

 

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John Duncan wrote:

Phileas wrote:

Hmm, to me, sparkle sounds like distortion.

Ashley James once wrote:
The very low crossover point with (sic) make the top "sparkle" and now the 9RSS actually have more bass than the Dynaudios, so prove that what we've been saying all along is correct.

Which highlights the problem with using ill defined, everyday vocabulary to describe sound. Smile

But I'm impressed with your extensive knowledge of the sayings of Ashley James.

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Agreed. However, I'm not sure sparkle=distortion is necessarily received wisdom.

Thanks. Keep your friends close, I say.

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JohnBr wrote:

Thanks Matt, 

I have managed to do lots of listening during my week off.

Proac D1 - Great detail, smooth sound

Harbeth P3esr - Probably preferred these, although a bit less obvious high frequency detail compared to the Proac, but a more realistic sound.

Spendor (small bookshelf) - Similar to Harbeth but sounded more mellow. 

Seeing them in the flesh, I'm reluctant to go any bigger than these models.

I listened to the AVI 9RS. Yes, these are very good for the money. Very clear definition of the different parts of the track. Didn't sound as sparkly as the Proac or Harbeth though. Didn't find the bass too light really.  

I think it comes down to the Harbeth P3esr and initially a fairly basic amplifier (with ample power) or the AVI. I warmed to these two options the most. 

Nice work... as a matter of interest, which amp did you hear the Harbeths with?

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John Duncan wrote:
Agreed. However, I'm not sure sparkle=distortion is necessarily received wisdom. Thanks. Keep your friends close, I say.

 

 

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I think "enemies" is a touch harsh mind you.

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fr0g wrote:

John Duncan wrote:
Agreed. However, I'm not sure sparkle=distortion is necessarily received wisdom. Thanks. Keep your friends close, I say.

 

 

Sun Tzu.

I think "enemies" is a touch harsh mind you.

Sounds about right to me.........................

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John Duncan wrote:
Agreed. However, I'm not sure sparkle=distortion is necessarily received wisdom. Thanks. Keep your friends close, I say.

 

Ha!  That made me chuckle.  Nice quip JD.   Smile

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