JohnBr wrote:Has anyone made any direct comparisons between the ADMs and similar passive systems to the aforementioned?
Has anyone made any direct comparisons between the ADMs and similar passive systems to the aforementioned?
I've made direct comparisons between the old ADM9.1T and a Chord QBD76/ATC SIA2-150 + SCM19, also a Cambridge Audio 640 cdp/Musical Fidelity A5/PMC DB1i. The ADMs sounded quite similar to the Chord/ATC setup but despite the Chord/ATC kit being mine I had to admit the ADMs were better in many regards, like JD though I felt the ADMs were a bit too lean. The sound of the CA/MF/PMC setup was quite different at the bass and treble ends, more of each compared to the ADMs - while I would've happily took the extra bass I found the treble too forward. The latest ADM9RS is, IMO, a large improvement in every area on the earlier 9.1T - more bass, greater clarity and smoothness, more treble detail. They still benefit from the sub though, it turns them into something extremely impressive.
Craig M. wrote:Mine have replaced some much more costly separates and sound better to boot.
Mine have replaced some much more costly separates and sound better to boot.
How would you say the 9RS compare to the Opals?
Sorry about going off topic.
Cannot comment on the AVIs as not heard them, but did briefly consider ditching my pre/power for a pair. My B&W602S3s have served well in a 7.1 set up but were a bit unruly in their new role in the bedroom hifi. Home trialed some 5* award winners and they were Ok with hi res but aweful with anything compressed - no bass at all and shrill. Was going to try Dalis & R100 but was talked into trying some Dynaudio DM2/7s. The advice was good as truely superb at the price IMHO but rarely mentioned in the mags. My Meridian kit is singing sweetly once again with well defined tight bass lines and very musical despite still running in. Combined with a Creek 50A with the Ruby DAC module would cost a tad more than the 9RS. Plenty of simmilar combos out there. Regarding the DAC, I use a rPAC from my iMac and very pleased. Tried it in the hifi and sounded thin so beware of DACs designed for headphones. The irDAC/A19 would be on my shortlist with the Creek combined with Dyns, R100 and Epos for starters.Happy auditioning.
steve_1979 wrote:Personally I wouldn't want any bookshelf speaker without adding a subwoofer. They always seem to either have too little but 'right' sounding bass or they have enough bass but it sounds overblown, boomy and out of control. IME the only way to get good quality tight sounding deep bass is with very big full range speakers or small bookshelf sized speakers partnered with a sub.
Personally I wouldn't want any bookshelf speaker without adding a subwoofer. They always seem to either have too little but 'right' sounding bass or they have enough bass but it sounds overblown, boomy and out of control. IME the only way to get good quality tight sounding deep bass is with very big full range speakers or small bookshelf sized speakers partnered with a sub.
I suppose it depends where you think the bulk of the story in a musical piece lies. I have some of the smallest speakers that are on the market probably, but given the setting where they sit in my room, I never feel as if I'm missing out. Seeing as the bulk of the music is in the midrange, as long as the frequencies at either end are well catered for, then you can overlook the compromises pretty well. I've never felt as if I was missing out, nor that I need to buy a sub to fill in the gaps. Think that's probably testament to the skill that went into the DC4's design.
If only they made a smaller sub, it's a bit if a beast to hide!
I'm not a big bass head though, so could probably do without a sub. I like speakers to be really insightful, loads of detail and separation of elements. Pethaps the AVIs would suit in that regard.
Im warnung more towards them due to their sheer simplicity. Has anyone not liked them for any reason other than bring a tad light on the bass?
audiokid wrote:Has anyone not liked them for any reason other than bring a tad light on the bass?
When it comes to reasons why some people dislike them, 'being a tad light on the bass' is well down the list.
You can say that again.....
Please can you elaborate?
JohnBr wrote:Please can you elaborate?
I can. By "them" they mean the company, not the speakers. The bass is by far the most common criticism I hear about the dpeakers themselves. Indeed, I'm not sure I could mention another common one. I don't care too much for bass, but those who do, do, and that is their taste/want/prerogative/whatever.
altruistic.lemon wrote:remember that the Naim/Spendor/Harbeth etc systems will probably outperform the AVIs, simply because their component parts are more expensive
Yes, it really is as simple as this lemon says.
altruistic.lemon wrote:remember that the Naim/Spendor/Harbeth etc systems will probably outperform the AVIs, simply because their component parts are more expensive Yes, it really is as simple as this lemon says.
Except that it isn't true, it doesn't follow and is a comment made more than likely out of some lasting grudge.
It's well known that Ashley James and myself do not see eye to eye on much, but there is no doubting the quality of the speakers Avi make.
If you are after a system for under £2000 and you want stand mounts, then you won't get better SQ than with a pair of ADM9RS.
I don't agree they outperform everything and I reckon you may get a better sound if you spend 2 or more times more on passives. By better I mean "preferable" of course.
You can get a similar performance for similar money if you buy studio monitors. I have listened to quite a few and I reckon the similar sized Genelecs are on a par, albeit with a quite different presentation...But then they are more expensive, and require a DAC/Preamp.
As for the Avi sub. It's pretty small. Smaller than my BK XXLS 400. Subs much smaller aren't often particularly "subby"
More people might get interested in buying ADMs if their corrrect price was quoted. (£1250?)
Quite often I see others doing what fr0g has just done...
"If you are after a system for under £2000 and you want stand mounts, then you won't get better SQ than with a pair of ADM9RS."
To me 'under £2000' is £1995 or £1999 or some similar figure. (Normal retail practice.)
A lot of people surf this forum who are not 'in the know' about all things AVI and they may not bother investigating a "system for under £2000" but could get very interested in the ADM9s if they were described as "a system for £1250" instead. (Yes, the £750 difference between the two descriptions is a significant sum of money to a lot of people and could easily make a difference.)
Just trying to help.
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If you're seriously interested in a good British set up, you won't go far wrong with the Sugden A21 and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, plus it would be perfect for your taste in music.
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