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RE: Oppo 103 Blu-ray Player Gets 3 Stars!

See it's no wonder Oppo fans feel a bit cheated by what they feel is an unjust review. when people like Gel won't even consider the product now, based on just one magazine's subjective opinions (which as it happens appears to be contrary to just about everyone else's).

I think there's such a thing as being a little too much of a disciple. You could miss-out on the absolute bargain of the century based on the opinions of people you don't know. By all means use reviews as a guide, but there's no substitute for your own eyes and ears.

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MajorFubar wrote:
See it's no wonder Oppo fans feel a bit cheated by what they feel is an unjust review. when people like Gel won't even consider the product now,

Why should they feel cheated? It makes no difference to them what he buys surely?

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But if it is bad through analogue then I presume it is safe to presume it is going to be bad through HDMI?  And vice versa.  So surely talking about the sound in general is enough.

Absolutely not. If the signal is sent via HDMI it is not passing through the DACs. A machine with terrible DACs could still sound fine using HDMI (as virtually all players do of course). I think this explains why you are happy with this remarkably uninformative review.

 

 

I guess it does.   Smile  If WHF came out and said Blu-ray players all sound the same over HDMI I would know this not to be the case, and so would a lot of others.  I guess you think they do though?

So you think saying that virtually all players sound fine using HDMI = Blu-ray players all sound the same over HDMI? Really?

 

I never said that, I said when I change my Blu-ray player to another one when bit streaming it over HDMI I can hear differences in sound.  Can you?  I never said they all sound fine, some sound crap!  Like this Oppo I guess.

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Hi, not sure if this thread is one I should be asking a question in, but I'm going to anyway seeing as there seem to be a few of you who know a bit about bluray players.

Anyway, I bought a panny bt500 to replace my old bd80, and it is a noticable improvement. Which led me to think should I consider spending a bit more (I guess up to £1500) to improve things another notch.

Is this a realistic proposition, or is this a law of diminishing returns thing, where I spend a lot for miniscule imrovements?

Any players you would recommend? I don't have to spend that much, I just have a feeling the picture I am experiencing with the bt500 would take a fair bit of an upgrade to improve upon (I may have also answered my own question)

Many thanks in advance..

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If WHF came out and said Blu-ray players all sound the same over HDMI I would know this not to be the case, and so would a lot of others.

You would still trust the WHF review, won't you?  Wink

 

Laughing

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See it's no wonder Oppo fans feel a bit cheated by what they feel is an unjust review. when people like Gel won't even consider the product now, based on just one magazine's subjective opinions (which as it happens appears to be contrary to just about everyone else's). I think there's such a thing as being a little too much of a disciple. You could miss-out on the absolute bargain of the century based on the opinions of people you don't know. By all means use reviews as a guide, but there's no substitute for your own eyes and ears.

 

That is fair and good points.  If it was local I would demo but can't, no one has got it.

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Indeed, in that respect they don't do themselves any favours.

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Indeed, in that respect they don't do themselves any favours.

 

They do recommend to demo as well, just that this is not always possible.  WHF can only review what they see and hear though.  They can't go by what people say on here or elsewhere.

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By 'they' I meant Oppo. If you want to get known, well there's no real substitute for being on dealers' shelves.

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By 'they' I meant Oppo. If you want to get known, well there's no real substitute for being on dealers' shelves.

 

Got you.   Smile  They seem to be getting a bit more popular.  Frankharvey have just started selling them, don't think Sevenoaks still does, that would be the one to take it to the masses or Richer Sounds.

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Oppo don't apear to be at the Bristol Show either. (Or at least they are not on the list yet)

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WhatHi-Fi has some good reviews, but they generally favor UK companies first.  What-hi-fi's first goal is to increase sales to UK audio companies.  Their second goal is to deliver non-biased, dependable tech reviews.  Typcially when you find a review that doesn't quite add up, it's from a ompany outside the UK. 

In this specific case, WhatHi-Fi is helping out Cambridge Audio.  Welcome to reality.  Hope this makes sense.

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In no shape or form is that even remotely true. If whathifi was operating in that fashion Pioneer would not be voted best AV receiver for 3 years running. Also you do a massive discredit to British companies by suggesting that Monitor Audio, B&W, Denon and Arcam etc need a helping hand. They can hold their own and are have rightfully earned their reputation. 

Are you a Bose fan? Wink

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Roundhead 5000 wrote:

Hi, not sure if this thread is one I should be asking a question in, but I'm going to anyway seeing as there seem to be a few of you who know a bit about bluray players.

Anyway, I bought a panny bt500 to replace my old bd80, and it is a noticable improvement. Which led me to think should I consider spending a bit more (I guess up to £1500) to improve things another notch.

Is this a realistic proposition, or is this a law of diminishing returns thing, where I spend a lot for miniscule imrovements?

Any players you would recommend? I don't have to spend that much, I just have a feeling the picture I am experiencing with the bt500 would take a fair bit of an upgrade to improve upon (I may have also answered my own question)

Many thanks in advance..

What's the rest of your system like? What sort of improvement are you looking at: blu ray picture quality or DVD upscaling? What about audio quality? Law of diminishing returns applies to blu ray players as well.

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The BDT500 is an outstanding player for bluray and almost on par with the high end players for picture. But as BB asked, please outline your setup Smile

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