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RE: Warm, musical budget integrated amp. Which?

Tibor wrote:

Looks like Pioneer will be my choice, the price is very good also.I can not listen the Denon, because there is not dealer around me with Denon amps

The A30 is a very good amp - much better than its price would suggest.  I won't be rushing to part with mine, even if it is currently not in use.  It is a subtle and refined amp and seems to have a real sense of ease in the way it deals with dynamic swings.

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Is onkyo A-9010 good?

Tibor wrote:

I intend to replace my Arcam Alpha 7 R amplifier.

My system: Arcam CD 72 player, Acoustic Energy Neo 1 speakers.

Can you recomennd a musical, fluid sounding budget amplifier with no harsh treble?

-Denon PMA 720AE

-Pioneer A 30 (the cheapest in my country)

-Nad 326BEE: do not like because of inprecise  volume regulation with remonte (I was listening to it, the sound was very good, very musical with strong bass)

-Cambridge Audio Azur 351A

-Nad 316BEE

Sorry, the budget Rega amp and the Arcam A 19   amplifiers are over my budget  :cry:

I have no possibility to listen all these amps, so I need your help

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  I sold the Onkyo A 9010

  I sold the Onkyo A 9010 european version (after 3 weeks) because has very unidimensional soundstage (compared with Arcam) and a little bright for me.

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If it helps, I've seen the

If it helps, I've seen the Yamaha A-S701 in shops for £399. Not sure on the price where you live though sorry. Plenty of functionality with all the controls you could wish for and looking through some reviews seems to be quite good.

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Hi you mentioned changing

Hi you mentioned changing speakers several times. Have you decided on a pair yet ? How are the Q acoustics 3020's compared to the Quad 11 classics?

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budget integrated amp. Which?
 https://www.whathifi.com/users/davedotco   Thank you for the reply #17 . Iam evaluating between Rega Brio R 2017,CA851A  and conisdering Creek Evo50A or 100A . I dont need ant vinyl inputs ,dac etc. Just quality tone controls and analog classic amp in a small form factor. Guess the Creek fits quite well. 851A has dual transformers so i am sure how good the creek channe seperation is. I cant get access to creek demo .Currenly using 651A.So iam assuming its a step up?
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nn_in wrote:

nn_in wrote:
 https://www.whathifi.com/users/davedotco   Thank you for the reply #17 . Iam evaluating between Rega Brio R 2017,CA851A  and conisdering Creek Evo50A or 100A . I dont need ant vinyl inputs ,dac etc. Just quality tone controls and analog classic amp in a small form factor. Guess the Creek fits quite well. 851A has dual transformers so i am sure how good the creek channe seperation is. I cant get access to creek demo .Currenly using 651A.So iam assuming its a step up?


I had a brief audition of the ca851 at richer sounds a couple of years ago, but preferred the sound of the Roksan k3. I found the K3 warmer. But I auditioned the K3 somewhere else so it wasn't a perfect comparison.

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Thank you.

Thank you.

I was anticipating that CA851A with seperate transfomers mounted for pre and power and with class XD would be interesting. Actually there are very few integrated amps with this approach.Form factor is also fairly compact.

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Yep, having also had the 651a

Yep, having also had the 651a I can say the 851a is a huge upgrade. It’s a very strong but agile amp.

It does get slated at lot but mostly by people who haven’t actually heard it and think it sounds the same as an 840. 

I’m using mine with some tannoys, which is a no no according to the bearded men wearing cords. 

Audition/borrow/compare other brands at price point .  . Be happy. 

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I also rate these ca

I also rate these ca intergrated amps when I see them perennially used to demo speakers in richer Sounds, and think them fantastic for the price. I like the detailed nature of these amps, which is probably why they get slated. 

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QuestForThe13thNote wrote:

QuestForThe13thNote wrote:

I like the detailed nature of these amps, which is probably why they get slated. 

CA amps don't usually get slated, they just have a sound that can be too forward (clinial?) for some, especially if poorly matched...so don't have as big a fan base (much like Cyrus and Audiolab).

IME. It is a myth, that detail only comes with a brighter, more forward sounding amp (and same with speakers).

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True, if these myths were

True, if these myths were correct and that my system is so bright,

im surprised my amp and speakers don’t strip me naked every time I use them 

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SemiChronic wrote:

SemiChronic wrote:

True, if these myths were correct and that my system is so bright,

im surprised my amp and speakers don’t strip me naked every time I use them 

It's about enjoyment....not about someone else's enjoyment. There are 101 ways to skin a cat (or avoid being stripped naked).

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I think because Tannoy are

I think because Tannoy are not hugely in your face on treble this is a nice balance with ca, and the reason your clothes stay on. Lol. 

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QuestForThe13thNote wrote:

QuestForThe13thNote wrote:

I think because Tannoy are not hugely in your face on treble this is a nice balance with ca, and the reason your clothes stay on. Lol. 


Really, I thought it was mostly thought it was the opposite. I've heard a lot of comments saying the tannoy in richer sounds are very bright and shrill. I sure thought so.

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