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:O

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MarkJones83

Change your receiver to a decent stereo amp . Change your optical cable to a good RCA interconnect , upgrade your sources and than you will hear 

what your speakers are really able to do .  This is the sipmple true. 

So your advice is for the OP to change everything else in his system because he doesn't like his speakers?

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MarkJones83 wrote:
Thanks for all responses and also apology from David. Sitting here listening to a few fave albums it does feel like there's a bit of an echo in here. Am moving to a new flat next week that in additional to being carpeted and having curtains, has been sound proofed by the landlord too. Would be interested to see what effect this will have if any on my music enjoyment Smile Oh, someone asked for me to check if they are in phase, and they are although I did discover that the speakers were wired wrong in the sense that the amp thinks that the left speaker is the right one and visa versa. I've changed them to be the correct way around now.

 

I wouldn't have thought that would make a difference, the Left and Right, that is.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

eh, another case of an excellent product which works good only with a certain types of music, in certain conditions, under certain weather, and needs to change everything in the system to sounds good, including rewiring a house, moving all the furniture, changing carpets, trashing down some walls, or better rebuilt the house completely or better yet built a new house just for hifi Blum 3

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

Tacty wrote:

eh, another case of an excellent product which works good only with a certain types of music, in certain conditions, under certain weather, and needs to change everything in the system to sounds good, including rewiring a house, moving all the furniture, changing carpets, trashing down some walls, or better rebuilt the house completely or better yet built a new house just for hifi Blum 3

...anything else is just not trying!  :shifty:

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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CnoEvil wrote:

Tacty wrote:

eh, another case of an excellent product which works good only with a certain types of music, in certain conditions, under certain weather, and needs to change everything in the system to sounds good, including rewiring a house, moving all the furniture, changing carpets, trashing down some walls, or better rebuilt the house completely or better yet built a new house just for hifi Blum 3

...anything else is just not trying!  :shifty:

Well, this thread is.....

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JoelSim wrote:

MarkJones83 wrote:
Thanks for all responses and also apology from David. Sitting here listening to a few fave albums it does feel like there's a bit of an echo in here. Am moving to a new flat next week that in additional to being carpeted and having curtains, has been sound proofed by the landlord too. Would be interested to see what effect this will have if any on my music enjoyment Smile Oh, someone asked for me to check if they are in phase, and they are although I did discover that the speakers were wired wrong in the sense that the amp thinks that the left speaker is the right one and visa versa. I've changed them to be the correct way around now.

 

I wouldn't have thought that would make a difference, the Left and Right, that is.

Especially if you sit with your back to the system.  :twisted:

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MarkJones83 wrote:
Thanks for all responses and also apology from David. Sitting here listening to a few fave albums it does feel like there's a bit of an echo in here. Am moving to a new flat next week that in additional to being carpeted and having curtains, has been sound proofed by the landlord too. Would be interested to see what effect this will have if any on my music enjoyment Smile Oh, someone asked for me to check if they are in phase, and they are although I did discover that the speakers were wired wrong in the sense that the amp thinks that the left speaker is the right one and visa versa. I've changed them to be the correct way around now.

Has the sound improved after the correction ? Give it some time before you meke up your mind to change it. Have you tried borrowing any of your friends amp to see if it change things. hopefully for good.

Amplifier : Yamaha AS500.

Speakers: Kef Q100.

Source: Pc, Portable Media Player, Moto G 3rd gen
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Headphones: Sennheiser, Creative & Altec Lancing

Loads of different Cables.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

I have no experiance with KEF speakers whatsoever, but i know a bit about room accoustics and wrong advice from others. 

My way from Sinatra is a good way to choose your stuf. 

in very smal rooms i would choose for a 5.1 av surround amp or a multimedia all in one with a keen surround set of speakers plus subwoofer. 

But a stereo system is a puzzle in smal rooms and the hifi searcher must have a bit of goodluck if his new gear sounds wel in the room.

i heard a NAD -  B&W combination in a smal study room on you tube and it sounds the way the owner admires. 

I hope i can help you solving the terible sound problem and others here on the forum.

When i started with my hifi gear i make also bad desisions and i bought bad hifi. Through the years i learn what wil be good and bad.

mistake one was to buy Mission speakers, two a Pioneer amp and third - tape decks pioneer and sony.

other mistakes, BNS speakers, a Marantz amp. The good stuf were a cd player from Philips, a pioneer equalizer and a philips tuner.

you'l see you not the only one. 

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namefail wrote:
My reply had nothing to do with the KEFs or the OP (as I suspect you know) rather your statement regarding your perception of individuals finding fault with speakers being down to their experience, knowledge and sophistication of auditory palette. But I'll give you points for the attempted diversion.
Your reply is in this thread, so it pertains to the subject matter in hand. And you are adding your perception here to what I said. I never mentioned "sophistication of auditory palette", and didn't imply it either.

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I shall, however, answer your questions; I have not heard the undoubtedly fine KEFs in question. And re my post about ears and brain, GOOD NEWS, your sense of humour bypass medal is in the post along with a shovel in case you inclined to keep on digging.  :)
No smiley, no humour. Unless it was meant to be "deadpan" - deadpan on a forum doesn't really work unless you are The_Lhc...

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

namefail wrote:
My reply had nothing to do with the KEFs or the OP (as I suspect you know) rather your statement regarding your perception of individuals finding fault with speakers being down to their experience, knowledge and sophistication of auditory palette. But I'll give you points for the attempted diversion.
Your reply is in this thread, so it pertains to the subject matter in hand. And you are adding your perception here to what I said. I never mentioned "sophistication of auditory palette", and didn't imply it either.

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I shall, however, answer your questions; I have not heard the undoubtedly fine KEFs in question. And re my post about ears and brain, GOOD NEWS, your sense of humour bypass medal is in the post along with a shovel in case you inclined to keep on digging.  :)
No smiley, no humour. Unless it was meant to be "deadpan" - deadpan on a forum doesn't really work unless you are The_Lhc...

Yeah you're right dead pan doesn't work a lot of the time and I'll have to assume you've never heard of thread drift or posts that reply to a comment posted after the opening. 

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Tacty wrote:

eh, another case of an excellent product which works good only with a certain types of music, in certain conditions, under certain weather, and needs to change everything in the system to sounds good, including rewiring a house, moving all the furniture, changing carpets, trashing down some walls, or better rebuilt the house completely or better yet built a new house just for hifi Blum 3

Actual lol!

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

This thread is pretty amusing.

I just love the idea that you can take almost any piece of hi-fi equipment and drop it into virtually any system and expect it to give of its best.

Whatever happenned to the art of system building? Seems to have no place in todays 5* orientated market place, I know I go on about how the market has been 'dumbed down' to the standard of the lowest common denominator but this takes the biscuit.

It is no wonder that people coming to hi-fi for the first time get confused and often disapointed when spend good money on some kit that does not remotely come close to their expectations and requirements.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

davedotco wrote:

Whatever happenned to the art of system building? 

Considering what is going on with cables and how people perceive massive differences that are not actually produced, I wonder how seriously I should take the 'art of system building'.

 

Edit: not so say that careful system matching can't improve the system, but I am suggesting that if peoples experiences are significantly changed when changing cables, it must also necessarily mean that there are a lot of perceived changes when changing other components that aren't related to the sound actually emitted.

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RE: KEF LS50 disappointment :(

Broner wrote:

davedotco wrote:

Whatever happenned to the art of system building? 

Considering what is going on with cables and how people perceive massive differences that are not actually produced, I wonder how seriously I should take the 'art of system building'.

Edit: not so say that careful system matching can't improve the system, but I am suggesting that if peoples experiences are significantly changed when changing cables, it must also necessarily mean that there are a lot of perceived changes when changing other components that aren't related to the sound actually emitted.

I think the comment was more related to making sure your amp and speakers are well matched, rather than cables.

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