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RE: C326BEE VS Marantz 6004

The Brio 3 isnt a weak amp; it's just got a very different soundstage in comparison to the NAD C326BEE and the Marantz's...

Paird with the Rega RS1's or RS3's; the Brio amp is superb but does lack a little in bass etc...

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RE: C326BEE VS Marantz 6004

I think the Brio 3 is a weak amp. The Nad and Marantz are way more powerful.

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In terms of sheer driving ability/current, the NAD is more capable than either the Brio 3 or the Marantz.   However, that isn't all hi-fi is about and the Rega and Marantz amps offer their own qualities.  I agree with hifilover that the Brio 3 can sound superb through Rega speakers.  However, I don't think it should even be considered for the Dyns.

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Ok, here are my first impressions of the marantz pm6004:

 

the good: At first i seems to mis drive (maybe thats because i demod the NAD first), but the highs are very musical, much better than the nad 326bee. Also theres much more detail. bass is tight and wel defined. That are the good qualities of this amp. midrange is expressive and upfront.

 

The bad: Sibilance!!! all the records have this  loud SSSS TTTT sounds. Especally Norah Jones, Katie Melua.

 

I am very frustrated with the fact that i cant seem to find the right amp!! Maybe the Dynaudio's are the problem

 

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At 4 Ohms and 86dB your Dyns aren't the easiest of speakers to drive.  Good though the NAD and Marantz amps are, they are bound to struggle with those speakers.  As a minimum I would be looking at the likes of the Cambridge Audio 650A and NAD C356BEE, both amps that have more ability with difficult loads and more power in reserve.

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so you know for sure that the problem comes from an amp with not enough power? Because with the same source and my old Denon AVR 2105 i did not have this problem.

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I'm often a supporter of listening beyond the specification, but on this occasion your experiences and the specs seem to meet and make sense.

The AVR 2105 will certainly have been delivering more clean power to the Dyns than either the Marantz or NAD are capable of, and despite Dynaudio speakers offering a fairly linear impedance, it is still low and at only 86db they aren't particularly sensitive either.  The fact that you didn't experience the same issues when using the Denon does rather bear this out.

One very affordable amp that might be worth a try is the Yamaha A-S500. This amp delivers plenty of power, is very clean sounding and has a setting specifically for driving lower impedances.  You would have to audition one as you might not like the sound, but it certainly won't suffer in terms of power delivery like many other budget models.

As I've said before, the Cambridge Audio 650A is well worth a listen too.  Very capable amp indeed with lots of clean power on tap, supported by a big and high quality toroidal transformer.

If you like the NAD sound but just want things to open up a bit you could do much worse than looking at second hand models like the C352, C355BEE, or the C370.  

Beware, though, it isn't just about power rating but also about current delivery.  Furthermore those Dyns will be quite revealing and to get the best out of them you might well need to up the ante.  Might be worth saving for something like the Audiolab 8200A or the Naim Nait 5i, but again an audition is essential.

Of course, the other option is just to change the speakers to something more suitable for the sort of amplification you are considering.

 

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I can't do a home demo of the Cambrige or the Yamaha. I am not planning to buy something without a home demo. The nad did nothng wrong  (perhaps a few recordings that sound a bit harsh). But i didn't move me either. so the way i see it: Take the plundge on the Marantz 7004 or buy the NAD C326bee

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You could also consider stereo receivers. e.g. Onkyo TX8555, TX8050, Marantz SR5023, Harmon Kardon HK3490.
Another stereo amplifier to consider maybe the Yamaha AS700.

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iaudio87 wrote:

I can't do a home demo of the Cambrige or the Yamaha. I am not planning to buy something without a home demo. The nad did nothng wrong  (perhaps a few recordings that sound a bit harsh). But i didn't move me either. so the way i see it: Take the plundge on the Marantz 7004 or buy the NAD C326bee

 

See, to me, that's all wrong!

 

Dont jump at an amp, demo more!!!

 

The NAD is ok but can be bettered so listen to the likes of the C356BEE (more power, able to drive tough speakers easier (ie your Dyns) and then decide from there if the NAD sound is or you...

 

Also, don't jump at the Marantz either, for me the Marantz 6 & 7 series of amps don't have the guts to drive the Dyns to their best!

 

Have you seriously considered changing your speakers to maybe the likes of the M/A RX1's or 2's or even maybe the Rega RS3's etc...?

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I know the nad has a power amp function. Is it a good idea to buy the nad and save for a nice preamp? never thought of changing my speakers tough

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Even if you buy the NAD and save for a pre-amp, you'll still be using the power amp section of a budget amp and you'll gain very little IMO.  You'll get better results by going for a better integrated in the first place.

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i can demo: Rotel,Arcam,Marantz, Denon  and NAD at home. Apperantly i cannot make the right choice regarding intregraded amps. So you guys may choose an amp from the above list and then i will demo the amp.

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Forget Arcam.  Their entry-level A18 amp is weedy and won't grip your speakers.

My advice would be to audition the NAD C356BEE.  It's a big step up from the C326BEE and will give you the right balance of power, current delivery and quality to drive your Dyns.  You'll get a more controlled sound than from the C326BEE and more of a feeling of effortless power.

If you want to audition another amp out of those brands then Rotel would be the next option.  They drive B&Ws well (another tricky load) so should be able to deliver what the Dyns need.  Even so, I'd suggest the RA-06SE rather than the RA-04SE.

It really is worth making that slight step up here, even if it takes slightly longer.  Otherwise, to be satisfied, you may have to consider some less demanding speakers such as the Monitor Audios suggested by hifilover.

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