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Hi all...

I hope you all know that I blew my devialet power board. And iam also waiting for new drivers for my PMC's.

Iam tired of my all pre loved purchases going awry. So iam for once , considering buying a SCM 40A with a tube pre amp. Will this give me a Tubey sweet sound that I always wanted. Thanks

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newlash09 wrote:

newlash09 wrote:

Hi all...

I hope you all know that I blew my devialet power board. And iam also waiting for new drivers for my PMC's.

Iam tired of my all pre loved purchases going awry. So iam for once , considering buying a SCM 40A with a tube pre amp. Will this give me a Tubey sweet sound that I always wanted. Thanks

I think your going to.be talking to your self Newlash and it’s not much different on wam you leave a comment on wam and no one comments back it’s like a blog on there . 

Anyway sorry to hear about your amplifier mate I hate it when stuff goes wrong are you getting it fixed 

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newlash09 wrote:

newlash09 wrote:

Hi all...

I hope you all know that I blew my devialet power board. And iam also waiting for new drivers for my PMC's.

Iam tired of my all pre loved purchases going awry. So iam for once , considering buying a SCM 40A with a tube pre amp. Will this give me a Tubey sweet sound that I always wanted. Thanks

To be fair, when you reported the fault on here you got half a page of 'oh that's weird/unusual/not normal' kind of answers before you hit us with the somewhat important little detail that your amp had taken a fall. So maybe not exactly the fault of the amp.

Just throwing in my 2 cents worth of defence for the accused...

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newlash09 wrote:

newlash09 wrote:

Hi all...

I hope you all know that I blew my devialet power board. And iam also waiting for new drivers for my PMC's.

Iam tired of my all pre loved purchases going awry. So iam for once , considering buying a SCM 40A with a tube pre amp. Will this give me a Tubey sweet sound that I always wanted. Thanks

Hi newlash09

Try and also ask some of members on ATC Forums.

Btw, in my experience ATC passive and active monitors impress by not trying to impress Smile

All the best

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MajorFubar wrote:

MajorFubar wrote:
To be fair, when you reported the fault on here you got half a page of 'oh that's weird/unusual/not normal' kind of answers before you hit us with the somewhat important little detail that your amp had taken a fall. So maybe not exactly the fault of the amp.

Just throwing in my 2 cents worth of defence for the accused...

That is unfair. I'd expect all of my solid state amps and desktop PC's to take a fall off a rack or desk onto a tiled floor and still work OK - albeit with a small dent in the corner of the casework.

Any reasonable person would expect the same. These items should not be so delicate that they can't take the odd bit of domestic rough and tumble.

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How much would ATC40's and a

How much would ATC40's and a valve amp cost you?

Are you some kind of business entrepreneur with $millions of spare cash to spend? If you are please ignore me and do whatever you want with your spare pocket money.

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

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Hi Newlash,

Sorry to hear about the Devialet... if you're looking for warm and tubey, personally I wouldn't be considering ATC, in my experience, all be it with the older SCM40, I've never heard a more neutral loudspeaker.

If you want that SQ Harbeth and Leben tube amps are supposed to be lush.

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lindsayt wrote:

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

Erm, he did didn’t he? Weren’t the DVLA amps second hand?
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Any answer I give will be a

Any answer I give will be a guess.

I don't think you will get a warm and tuby sound....but just enough warmth/sweetmess to suggest tubes might be involved....like a mug of tea, with a quarter of a spoon of sugar in it.

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lindsayt wrote:

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

Erm, he did didn’t he? Weren’t the DVLA amps second hand?

That's where he went wrong. He didn't go 2nd hand enough.

A £/$4k Devialet is a joke.

A £40 to £400 Sony integrated is more like it.

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If your looking for a warm tube like sound
An ATC active speaker is probably not what your looking for.
Even the non active atc speaker (I'd go for scm19)with an amp may give you more warmth, possibly??

But if it's real, life-like etc then yes.

Take another look at Lindsay suggestions also as he could get you top class sound for small money
I've heard his speakers and they are very very good.

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lindsayt wrote:

How much would ATC40's and a valve amp cost you?

Are you some kind of business entrepreneur with $millions of spare cash to spend? If you are please ignore me and do whatever you want with your spare pocket money.

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

All of this talk about money was not required . Iam not a millionaire, but i work hard enough to warrant a bonus which goes towards my hifi purchases. If you can't suggest me the free advise I look for, after blowing my very valuable amp...I suggest you abstain from giving any advise what's so ever.

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newlash09 wrote:

lindsayt wrote:

How much would ATC40's and a valve amp cost you?

Are you some kind of business entrepreneur with $millions of spare cash to spend? If you are please ignore me and do whatever you want with your spare pocket money.

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

All of this talk about money was not required . Iam not a millionaire, but i work hard enough to warrant a bonus which goes towards my hifi purchases. If you can't suggest me the free advise I look for, after blowing my very valuable amp...I suggest you abstain from giving any advise what's so ever.

Hey Newlash
Chill you misunderstood Lindsay
He has a valid point and he meant no harm

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newlash09 wrote:

lindsayt wrote:

How much would ATC40's and a valve amp cost you?

Are you some kind of business entrepreneur with $millions of spare cash to spend? If you are please ignore me and do whatever you want with your spare pocket money.

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

All of this talk about money was not required . Iam not a millionaire, but i work hard enough to warrant a bonus which goes towards my hifi purchases. If you can't suggest me the free advise I look for, after blowing my very valuable amp...I suggest you abstain from giving any advise what's so ever.

Hey Newlash
Chill you misunderstood Lindsay
He has a valid point and he meant no harm

Iam really sorry if iam missing something. But lindsayt had the exact same things to say when I was wondering about the PMC twenty 26. That was almost 2 years ago, but I can never forget his insulting words about me looking for a cheap bargain. So it hurts...:)

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Andrewjvt wrote:

newlash09 wrote:

lindsayt wrote:

How much would ATC40's and a valve amp cost you?

Are you some kind of business entrepreneur with $millions of spare cash to spend? If you are please ignore me and do whatever you want with your spare pocket money.

If not, isn't it time, for the sake of your family that you stopped throwing $thousands at audio equipment?

Go DIY. Go 2nd hand. Take a route where you will get far better sound quality for your money. And that might stop your hi-fi system from being the ravenous money pit that it has become.

All of this talk about money was not required . Iam not a millionaire, but i work hard enough to warrant a bonus which goes towards my hifi purchases. If you can't suggest me the free advise I look for, after blowing my very valuable amp...I suggest you abstain from giving any advise what's so ever.

Hey Newlash Chill you misunderstood Lindsay He has a valid point and he meant no harm

Iam really sorry if iam missing something. But lindsayt had the exact same things to say when I was wondering about the PMC twenty 26. That was almost 2 years ago, but I can never forget his insulting words about me looking for a cheap bargain. So it hurts...:)

I don't understand? Can you please tell me what insulting words?

 

I don't think there's anything insulting about recommending that you buy an inexpensive bargain?

I don't think there's anything insulting about saying new or nearly new PMC twenty 26's or ATC 40's or $4k Devialet used amplifiers are relatively poor value value money.

It's just me giving the best advice to you that I can.

And part of giving the best advice that I can is establishing whether you are a multi millionaire or someone that has to work hard for the money that he spends on consumer goods.

If you were a multi millionaire, my advice would be not worth listening to.

With you being someone of similar means to myself, my advice is sound.

 

I would also hope that my advice would be of some help to your family's long term harmony. This is a rhetorical question that you don't have to answer publicly here on this forum but: how does your wife feel about the prospect of you spending several thousand dollars on ATC 40's and a valve amplifier, given that in the last 2 years you have spent thousands on PMC speakers and a Devialet amplifier?

 

With the PMC speakers that you have, you have gotten your system to a certain level. A good level. Better than 99.9% of audio systems in your town or city.

If you now want to improve your system, to get it to world class levels - so that it is about equally good as any system in the world - then ATC40's with a valve amp are not the way to do it.

The good new is that you can get to world class whilst spending less money than PMC's with Devialet or ATC 40's with valve amp.

The less good news, especially considering where you live in the world, is that this route will require DIY / 2nd hand.

 

I'm sorry if you don't like my message. But please don't say I'm being personally insulting, when all I'm trying to do is make you aware of the reality of hi-fi systems as openly and honestly as I can.

 

 

Let me put it another way. Right now, are you delighted that you bought your PMC twenty 26's? Or do you wish you never bought them? Or are you somewhere inbetween?

Same thing for the Devialet? Are you delighted that you bought it? Or do you wish that you'd never bought it?

 

Over the years, I have bought plenty of audio equipment items that I regret buying. So, it's not like i'm saying "Ha you're a fool and I'm not." I'm saying "I've made mistakes and it pains me to see other following in my footsteps and making the same sort of mistakes I did."

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