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BenLaw wrote:

Sorry to hear about the difficulties you are having A, hope you manage to get them all sorted. Do you have any photos of the speakers in the final position? Perhaps also how you've set up the AEX?

the speakers are not yet in the fnal positions as the stands are only expected next week. I just plonked the speakers on the styrofoam padding that was in the boxes for the time being. Works but they are not pointing down enough so not ideal for the stereo effect. Will do some pics.

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i just read this thread, start to finish. filthy audio porn. i love it! 

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i just read this thread, start to finish. filthy audio porn. i love it! 

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Airplay problems continued.

As the connection is now via ethernet, there are no droputs. However, ipod touch sometimes takes very long to connect to the library and sometimes does not connect at all until router restart. And yesterday a new problem came - itunes lost connection with airport completely.

A quick google shows that it is a 'popular' issue error 15000 or 15006

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4150757?tstart=0 with no updates to sort it out from Apple.

This however seemed to fix it

http://mactips.dwhoard.com/mactips/other-applications/fix-airplay

and I hope this also fixes general stability of Airplay control now.

Fingers crossed.

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The stands are in so I do the final set-up of the kitchen system.

They are made of quite thick steel plate, heavy, so reasonably stable.

 

The speakers have threaded holes on the back for various mounts.

The stands are for placing the speakers on a desk so they tilt up to 20 degrees backwards i.e. pointing the speakers up.

I need them to point down so I was hoping that the articulating joint is reversible – and it turns out it is!

In the reversed position the tilt looks about right. The speaker now wants to fall forward so I will have to pin the stand down with a screw once in place.

So they are in their final positions:

The playback control is from an old ipod touch that lives in the kitchen permanently for that.

It is mounted on this stand that works very well:

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/clingo-universal-podium-phone-and-media-desk-stand-p25370.htm

The volume control is mounted under the cupboard using a hi-tech solution called BlueTack.

The rest of the gear (Aiport and Powerline ethernet) are hidden inside the cupboard where I installed a power socket with a multi-plug adapter.

That’s the kitchen system done. All the hardware part works perfectly. Still observing some hick-ups in the control (Airplay/iTunes Remote) part.

 

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I'm pleased you took my advice of using the ipod/ ipad as a permanent streaming device and controller in the kitchen. It looks really smart .... great job

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Indeed, but I am only using the ipod because it has no other use. I would not want to have to use ipad or iphone because they are usually not in the kitchen. Me and my other half we are both pleased wih the new system.

Remote app is a bit glitchy though.

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I guess if the remote problems are really getting to you you can always resort to the hip flask  beauty, eh

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beauty, eh

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Hi AlmaataKZ,

 

Great thread and great system.  I read your thread a while ago and remember you posted a diagram with your main room connections setup - macmini+dac+av receiver+speakers+etc.  Unfortunately, I skimmed through the thread again and can't find the diagram anymore.  Would you mind to re-posting it or maybe emailing me directly?  Highly appreciated.

On another note, I'm seriously thinking of getting the ATC SCM 50 active speakers (never listened to them but auditioned the 100s and was truly impressed with them so if the 50s are anywhere close to the 100s, I'd be very happy with them).  I would like to pair the actives with a good preamp+dac(maybe+network player) combo and I understand you are very happy with your Benchmark.  However, I just wonder if you ever thought/researched/considered upgrading it to some of the new higher end (more expensive) releases such as Chord Electronics DSX 10000 network streamer, or dsc Debussy, or even the brand new Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 digital music player, or anything similar to them?  Please share if that kind of thought ever crossed your mind and (besides the money issues) would you consider pairing your ATC 50s with a such device?

Many thanks! 

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As well as help here, you may get some help at atcforums.co.uk there's lots of users of high end dac pres there. 

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silikonas wrote:

Hi AlmaataKZ,

 

Great thread and great system.  I read your thread a while ago and remember you posted a diagram with your main room connections setup - macmini+dac+av receiver+speakers+etc.  Unfortunately, I skimmed through the thread again and can't find the diagram anymore.  Would you mind to re-posting it or maybe emailing me directly?  Highly appreciated.

On another note, I'm seriously thinking of getting the ATC SCM 50 active speakers (never listened to them but auditioned the 100s and was truly impressed with them so if the 50s are anywhere close to the 100s, I'd be very happy with them).  I would like to pair the actives with a good preamp+dac(maybe+network player) combo and I understand you are very happy with your Benchmark.  However, I just wonder if you ever thought/researched/considered upgrading it to some of the new higher end (more expensive) releases such as Chord Electronics DSX 10000 network streamer, or dsc Debussy, or even the brand new Bryston BDA-2 DAC and BDP-2 digital music player, or anything similar to them?  Please share if that kind of thought ever crossed your mind and (besides the money issues) would you consider pairing your ATC 50s with a such device?

Many thanks! 

Thanks and sorry for late reply, been a bit busy. I'll post the diagram once I find it.

re 50s vs 100s

In my experience, they sound identical except the only difference is the 100s go a tiny bit lower and are a tiny bit louder. 50s have plenty of bass. 100s are very large so the 50s are much more practical and I would recommend these. I only advise the 100s if you are lucky to have a very very large room. If I had one I would've probably gone for 150s. So go for 50s and add a good sub if you have to have low depth.

re feeding actives

you can use any source and pre-amp, all will sound near identical and the speakers will sound great. I do not recommend expensive dacs or pre-amps as differences in performance are minute and totally not worth it. I have no desire to upgrade the Benchmark and never considered any other dac/pres as I do not expect any meaninful improvements and even the Benchmark is already too expensive for a dac and a pre. Nothing wrong with expensive models and some of them look absolutely fantastic - I just think it is irrational to pay for the difference that is not there and to pay too much for styling. I can easilty imagine myself feeding the ATCs with an airport express, SB Touch or similar sources and I would have no reservations re sound quality.

I advise to choose sources on functionality, ease of control, interface and styling - and get the chapest that ticks the boxes. 

Choose speakers on objective performance and allocate most of the budget here. 

I also advise to think through the control thoroughly before buying anything. No good to find out later that you have to get up to switch something on/off when you expected you will control everything from the sofa and somethign turns out to be incompatible. Or your wife cannot operate it.  It should be simple.

Enjoy!

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almaatakz,

 

many thanks for your comprehensive answer.  i found your diagram on another forum (related to the speakers) so no worries.

 

will try to demo the speakers (the 50s) because my last experience with the 100s was many months ago.  unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anybody has them in london.  if u know where i could be able to listem to the 50s, please share the intel...

 

re system control - i play itunes (lossless) on my mac mini connected to arcam rdac which is connected to my amplifier.  only yesterday i accidentaly discovered that apple has a remote app for ipad and i can easily control the macmini's itunes from my ipad.  what a revelation it was!  

 

re dac - it sux that rdac doesn't have balanced outputs, and no preamp option - otherwise i would just use it (at least in the beginning) with the active speakers.

 

thanks again for your advice.  

 

 

 

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almaatakz,

 

many thanks for your comprehensive answer.  i found your diagram on another forum (related to the speakers) so no worries.

 

will try to demo the speakers (the 50s) because my last experience with the 100s was many months ago.  unfortunately, it doesn't seem like anybody has them in london.  if u know where i could be able to listem to the 50s, please share the intel...

 

re system control - i play itunes (lossless) on my mac mini connected to arcam rdac which is connected to my amplifier.  only yesterday i accidentaly discovered that apple has a remote app for ipad and i can easily control the macmini's itunes from my ipad.  what a revelation it was!  

 

re dac - it sux that rdac doesn't have balanced outputs, and no preamp option - otherwise i would just use it (at least in the beginning) with the active speakers.

 

thanks again for your advice.  

 

Consider this one

http://www.tcelectronic.com/level-pilot/

you can use an rca-xlr adapter (several quid from a pro audio shop) between your dac and the level pilot.

genelec do a similar one but with 3.5mm jack

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Apple remote app is very handy!

i do not know if anybody has stock of 50s in London. Try calling some dealers from the list on the atc site, the list is not that long. You really do not need to hear the 50s if you heard the 100s. There is no difference in character of sound. Only slight depth of bass difference.