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We moved back to Manchester / Stockport about 6 months ago and I was fortunate enough to be able to have a small but dedicated music room. I did some painting in it over the Easter weekend and finished a small project this weekend, so it is now ready for public display!  Smile

 

This is my kit, housed in HiFi Racks Podium rack:

 

 

 

The Primare CD31 is a great CD player, although I increasingly find myself streaming spotify through the Sonos ZP90, and I have no doubt this is the last CDP I will buy. I have (most of) my CDs stored in the room:

 

 

but I find I don't really miss the tactility of CDs, and I love the convenience of playing music with the computer or iPhone.

 

Close up of the Primare Pre30, above the A33.2: 

 

 

When we moved to the new house I upgraded from ATC SCM11s (which are now in my living room AV setup) to SCM40s:

 

 

I love these speakers, great scale and dynamics when required, allied with phenomenal detail and delicacy if that's what the music demands. Bass is accurate, taut and with good depth, allowing the superb mid range driver to thrive. 

 

So this is the view from the listening position:

 

 

The L shaped sofa is good for lots of people to enjoy the music when we have people over, but provides an almost ideal central position when I'm listening alone. 

 

 

I picked this poster up second hand on eBay and then got it framed. It's limited edition signed by Billy Woodman, and lists ATC's 'Friends around the World', including Dire Straits, Pink Floyd and the Pope  Wink

 

 

This weekend's project was to make some acoustic panels:

 

 

 

Which I have sited at the first reflection points on the right hand wall:

 

 

And behind the listening position:

 

 

I've not had a chance to do much listening since putting these up and, having received some advice, I'm likely to experiment further with positioning and possibly other acoustic treatment. But my early impressions are that this has been a very worthwhile improvement for a modest outlay (under £150 total for all 3 panels), soundstaging in particular is much sharper.

 

So that's it for now:  Smile

 

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Ben, that's a really great looking job....it's an interesting shape of room, that will probably help with the acoustics.

Is it a suspended floor?

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Hi Cno, and thanks  Smile

 

It is an unusal shaped room, with the alcove behind the left speaker, half the ceiling sloped and the L shape I've got my CDs in at the back. Not being too boxy or cube like should indeed reduce the risk of standing waves. I never found it hugely problematic acoustically, but have still found an improvement and think there could be more.

 

It is a suspended floor. I've considered isolation, including the Auralex Gramma, although the comments from Benny39 when he got rid of his that he was concerned about stability worried me slightly. It's certainly something I'm still bearing in mind, but not something that concerns me overly at the moment.

 

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Ben

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I got round the stability issue as follows:

- I have placed 2 Granite worktop savers (Argos) under each Gramma.

- The Gramma's foam is recessed enough, that when placed on top of the Granite, it looks like an "ice-cream slice" between two wafers.

- This allows a wooden surround (trim) to be slotted into this gap (on all 4 sides), which when painted matt black and given a bevelled edge, looks very good and stops the wobble.

- This solution raises the speakers by 85mm, but in my case made a HUGE difference to the bass.

If you can make some sort of bass-trap in the corners, it would also help.....icing on the cake.

If you don't understand the above description, I'll have another go.....but it gives great isolation (and stability), without looking to the likes of Track Audio.

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Ben, looks like a celebrity crib..well done mate.

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CnoEvil wrote:

I got round the stability issue as follows:

- I have placed 2 Granite worktop savers (Argos) under each Gramma.

- The Gramma's foam is recessed enough, that when placed on top of the Granite, it looks like an "ice-cream slice" between two wafers.

- This allows a wooden surround (trim) to be slotted into this gap (on all 4 sides), which when painted matt black and given a bevelled edge, looks very good and stops the wobble.

- This solution raises the speakers by 85mm, but in my case made a HUGE difference to the bass.

If you can make some sort of bass-trap in the corners, it would also help.....icing on the cake.

If you don't understand the above description, I'll have another go.....but it gives great isolation (and stability), without looking to the likes of Track Audio.

 

Hi Cno, I think that makes sense, thanks  Smile Although you know what they say, a picture speaks a thousand works  Wink Would definitely be interested to see a photo of this (and on a wider point I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one who would be delighted to see some pics of your fantastic system  Smile

 

The isolation is definitely something I will look into it, and this sounds like a good way of doing it. Bass traps is also something I have in mind, tho my room is not blessed with an excess of bass and I'm worried about robbing it of some 'in room' response. Do you think that's a realistic concern? I have considered, and had some advice to do, adding some bass trapping material behind the panels I've just put in, which may be a handy way forward.

 

What acoustic treatment do you use?

 

Cheers,

Ben

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Ben, looks like a celebrity crib..well done mate.

:cheers:

 

Many thanks iceman  Smile I'd never really associated myself with having a 'crib' but I can live with that  Wink  :grin:

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Very nice!!! Blum 3

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Hi Cno, I think that makes sense, thanks  Smile Although you know what they say, a picture speaks a thousand works  Wink Would definitely be interested to see a photo of this (and on a wider point I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one who would be delighted to see some pics of your fantastic system  Smile

The isolation is definitely something I will look into it, and this sounds like a good way of doing it. Bass traps is also something I have in mind, tho my room is not blessed with an excess of bass and I'm worried about robbing it of some 'in room' response. Do you think that's a realistic concern? I have considered, and had some advice to do, adding some bass trapping material behind the panels I've just put in, which may be a handy way forward.

What acoustic treatment do you use?

Cheers,

Ben

Aagh, I was afraid you were going to ask me for photos......being a techno luddite has its draw backs.....though it might be the incentive I need to screw my courage to the sticking-place, and give it a go (sometime!).

In my case, a great deal of the bass disappeared through the floor. This isolation mod was so effective, my o/h heard the thump of the bass in another room.

I think the correct amount of acoustic treatment usually makes a dramatic improvement....but I would leave it untl you sort the isolation issue out, which "should" improve the power and definition of the bass.

Re room treatment - I live in a Victorian house, with large rooms (not square), mouldings, 11 ft ceilings, lath and plaster walls, heavy curtains and rugs....so have never felt the need for extensive treatment......though saying that, it's on the (very) long finger.

Thank you for the kind comment on my system

Cno

 

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Very nice!!! Blum 3

 

Thanks a lot BB!  Smile

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BenLaw wrote:

Hi Cno, I think that makes sense, thanks  Smile Although you know what they say, a picture speaks a thousand works  Wink Would definitely be interested to see a photo of this (and on a wider point I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one who would be delighted to see some pics of your fantastic system  Smile

The isolation is definitely something I will look into it, and this sounds like a good way of doing it. Bass traps is also something I have in mind, tho my room is not blessed with an excess of bass and I'm worried about robbing it of some 'in room' response. Do you think that's a realistic concern? I have considered, and had some advice to do, adding some bass trapping material behind the panels I've just put in, which may be a handy way forward.

What acoustic treatment do you use?

Cheers,

Ben

Aagh, I was afraid you were going to ask me for photos......being a techno luddite has its draw backs.....though it might be the incentive I need to screw my courage to the sticking-place, and give it a go (sometime!).

In my case, a great deal of the bass disappeared through the floor. This isolation mod was so effective, my o/h heard the thump of the bass in another room.

I think the correct amount of acoustic treatment usually makes a dramatic improvement....but I would leave it untl you sort the isolation issue out, which "should" improve the power and definition of the bass.

Re room treatment - I live in a Victorian house, with large rooms (not square), mouldings, 11 ft ceilings, lath and plaster walls, heavy curtains and rugs....so have never felt the need for extensive treatment......though saying that, it's on the (very) long finger.

Thank you for the kind comment on my system

Cno

 

Well, a man with 3 and half thousand posts can't be that much of a luddite...  Wink Seriously, not hard once you've done it once (upload to flickr or photobucket, copy the url link, click the tree icon when posting and paste the link in, sorted) - happy to help if I can. If that's the only reason we've not seen system photos then you need to get on it!  Smile

 

Your house sounds similar to my living room then, carpet, plaster walls, heavy curtain etc, and I've also not seen the need to do anything for my AV setup. Actually, I didn't feel there was any big problem in the music room, but it seemed like an upgrade with potentially good improvement v cost.

 

Not sure I understood what you meant about the bass, did your other half hear it in another room after you started using isolation? Because the bass doesn't really travel out of my room (it's directly above our bedroom and I've never had any complaints  Wink ), which I was taking as a sign that I wasn't losing the bass through the floor. There are definite peaks and troughs of bass in my room (it's substantially elevated in the L shaped part by my CDs) but I guess that's just what happens in rooms.

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Close up of the Primare Pre30, above the A33.2: 

 

(whimper)

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Not sure I understood what you meant about the bass, did your other half hear it in another room after you started using isolation? Because the bass doesn't really travel out of my room (it's directly above our bedroom and I've never had any complaints  Wink ), which I was taking as a sign that I wasn't losing the bass through the floor. There are definite peaks and troughs of bass in my room (it's substantially elevated in the L shaped part by my CDs) but I guess that's just what happens in rooms.

Right, I better give the long version.

I used to own some Kef IQ9s, and when I changed them for the Refs, the bass was little, if any better. I then ordered a couple of Grammas, which greatly helped. I then discovered that 2 Granite jobbies, when slid together, were almost exactly the same size as the top of the Gramma.

I placed 2 under each Gramma, and the change was so profound regarding the "punch", depth and power of the bass, that within 2 minutes, the o/h appeared from the kitchen, saying she could immediately hear the difference down there. The 205s can shake a room when cranked up now....easily heard in another area of the house (a bit like a sub). The stability issue was solved with the wooden trim.

I think in my case, the bass was so weedy before hand, that it didn't travel anywhere.

Nb. 3500 posts just means I'm full of hot air, nothing more!

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BenLaw wrote:

Close up of the Primare Pre30, above the A33.2: 

 

(whimper)

 

Tempted back JD?  :grin:

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BenLaw wrote:

Not sure I understood what you meant about the bass, did your other half hear it in another room after you started using isolation? Because the bass doesn't really travel out of my room (it's directly above our bedroom and I've never had any complaints  Wink ), which I was taking as a sign that I wasn't losing the bass through the floor. There are definite peaks and troughs of bass in my room (it's substantially elevated in the L shaped part by my CDs) but I guess that's just what happens in rooms.

Nb. 3500 posts just means I'm full of hot air, nothing more!

 

:grin:

 

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Right, I better give the long version.

I used to own some Kef IQ9s, and when I changed them for the Refs, the bass was little, if any better. I then ordered a couple of Grammas, which greatly helped. I then discovered that 2 Granite jobbies, when slid together, were almost exactly the same size as the top of the Gramma.

I placed 2 under each Gramma, and the change was so profound regarding the "punch", depth and power of the bass, that within 2 minutes, the o/h appeared from the kitchen, saying she could immediately hear the difference down there. The 205s can shake a room when cranked up now....easily heard in another area of the house (a bit like a sub). The stability issue was solved with the wooden trim.

I think in my case, the bass was so weedy before hand, that it didn't travel anywhere.

 

Interesting stuff, and this definitely enthuses me to try it. We've got a baby due in a few months so funds are now tight but this isn't an overly expensive thing to try. I would definitely be interested to see a photo of the trim to see exactly what you mean. Was that expensive / difficult to make? My DIY is average at best!  Wink

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Really nice setup, bet it sounds awsome. The fifth photo down looks really cool.  Smile

I like the acoustic panels with the pictures on them too.

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