Nokia Lumia 920 & 820 - Thoughts?

I know people want it to be great but I made the mistake of getting a win 7 phone replacing it with an android, big mistake. It gets buggier the more I use it, few days ago whatsapp stopped working for the entire platform. While it is true that they seem to have a lot of apps but these apps are really really horrible. There is also no real multitasking here, it just pauses the app and takes ages to resume. I would like to advise everyone not to be early adopters as Microsoft takes their sweet time with bug fixes. Shame that Nokia didnt choose the android path, it has so much more potential. 

Depends on how you look at it. The quality of a photo depends on 2 aspects: hardware (aperture & shutter speed) & software (the algorithm to determine the correct shutter speed & aperture). The hardware cannot be altered. The other phones cannot overcome the aperture limitation, while Nokia's algorithm can be altered with a software update. By Nokia's own admission, it's not a finished product. The camera is vastly superior to its competitors, & also includes image stabilisation which is not merely a software feature.

This is the complete explanation, which, you may admit, is better than your explanation. 

Apple put that disclaimer AFTER people complained & went to court. Similar with its 4G claims. Apple has never admitted using professional cameras to click those photos. Even it will come put with an apology when it gets caught.

That is correct. It is without doubt that the iPhone was a revolutionary product & not mere evolutionary. The entire mobile landscape changed after the iPhone.

Now this is very interesting! Finally an actual user opinion!! 

Will wait for a few weeks after launch to check early reviews and reports. 

Now if you'd said that the first time!  Given your wink I perhaps shouldn't take your last comment too seriously, but just to be clear I didn't put mine forward as a complete / ideal explanation, I put it forward as an improvement on yours, which I was criticising as being, well, wrong. It's also difficult to draw a firm conclusion, certainly that it will be 'vastly superior' to its competitors, as they may not get the implemenation right.

I hope they do. I agree with your earlier comments that the competition provided by (at least) three quality platforms will benefit the consumer.

Fair enough. I hadn't seen that before. Do you mean this? It seems that with Siri they always put 'sequences shortened' but people are not happy that, well, it doesn't actually work all the time! Which is a slightly different matter. Does say there were similar complaints for the 3GS, which I can't be bothered to research further. Anyway, it displeases me any time a company 'lies' or 'deceives its customers' (quotes from your last link), whatever the company.

You and others seem to have two reasons for not wanting an iphone. (i) You perceive Apple as bullies, (ii) you are bored of the UI. (i) really doesn't bother me, as all the companies are / would be like this if they could be, it's just that Apple happen to be more successful at it at the moment. When I was young I used Acorn computers which, with their RISC OS, were streets ahead of Microsoft and (IMHO) a bit ahead of Apple. I think it's a shame they didn't make it in the same way Apple did (again, 3 platforms would benefit everyone) but I feel no sympathy for Microsoft after they failed to keep up, having produced terrible computers and OS for years and years. (ii) Also doesn't bother me personally, I have no desire for a UI to entertain me, but YMMV and clearly does. I don't consider myself an Apple fanboy at all (I'm not knowledgable enough for one thing) but I do have brand loyalty, so when a company produces a product that works for me and then does nothing to mess that up, I'll stick with them unless there's a compelling reason not to. This applies to my phone, my speakers, retailers, anything.

I've stopped being loyal to a particular brand, & I like to play with different platforms, after HTC Sensation disappointed me when I upgraded from a brilliant Desire.

There is a strong push from my in-laws to stick to Google products & Android (as my sister-in-law works for Google & my brother-in-law is an ex-Googler & current Google tester). Android is brilliant, but I have been disappointed by the hardware of both HTC & Samsung when it comes to call quality & reliability. Nokia is very good in hardware, & I don't want to brush Windows mobile 8 off just because it's Microsoft. Sony is another brand I'm willing to try, when they come up with an attractive phone.

And yes, at this point in time, Apple is a bigger bully than anyone else. 

I'd like to support the underdogs.

Don't think Samsung are underdogs. Want underdog's, support HTC. 

Been with HTC for 3 years now.....not happy with my Sensation. 

I know Samsung aren't underdogs, that's why I'm looking at the Lumia 920 

+1 well if i can't afford it the 820 still looks good 

Hands on preview of the 920 here.

I don't think Nokia's problem was ever making phones. IOS and Android killed symbian and it took Nokia till the N8 for them to realise so they went windows with Lumina. I had the N8 liked the phone not the OS. For what it's worth the Lumina i have now is my favourite phone i've used for looks and OS. My wife has Samsung galaxy , my daughter and brother in law have iphone 4s so i have seen them i still prefer the Nokia and that's with W7. Feels like Microsoft have taken Nokia as their main phonemaker to take marketshare from Apple but unlike Apple Microsoft don't care who uses their sofware. I completly agree with BB's comments over the course of this thread ref Microsoft, Nokia...... iphone revolution etc.

Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread but I just realised that Nokia music is a Spotify type system with millions of songs to "download", except it's free on these phones and you get to keep all the music you download, even after your subscription ends! I guess it must emply some sort of DRM as it mentions that the music you download can only be played on your registered PC or phone and can't be  burnt to CD (although I'm not sure how they would stop that)

If the quality is good I may end up buying one of these things anyway, just so I can cancel Spotify.

Interesting poll results here:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/iphone5-spec-showdown/

I can't see the results?

Anyway, biggest poll will be sales figures! Takes a particular type, probably not your average mobile phone buyer, to go on such a site and post a response.

Btw, had not realised Nokia is nearly double the weight of the iPhone 5 and is half the storage (of the largest iPhone 5) with no option to expand  Despite the latest iTunes messing me around yesterday, still pleased with my choice