Nokia Lumia 920 & 820 - Thoughts?

The 920 has a competent set of features but nothing ground-breaking, there’s no killer feature that’s going to have people queuing up at stores at midnight. For one the 41mp camera of the Nokia 808 PureView should have been included.

It has a fledgeling Operating System that is currently distinctly lacking in useful apps.

Personally I don't think it is going to be Nokia's saviour and is going to struggle to gain sales against the Android phones let alone against the new iPhone that will be announced shortly.

The only thing that will save it is it's price..................and we haven't a clue what that is going to be yet! 

I don't think that's entirely true. There are a number of unique features not found in other phones. Also, the phone specs are no inferior than any on the market:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/261908/nokia_lumia_920_brings_raft_of_kil...

They claim this is the best camera in the market with a highly light sensitive lens and image stabilisation. Megapixel count isnt everything. PureView technology has already proved its prowess which isn't just due to its megapixel count. The touch screen works with gloves as well. Blur free scrolling, enhanced readability in sunlight, scratch resistant screen and body, city lens, built-in wireless charging (better implementation of this than previous phones like Galaxy S3 & Palm Pre).

When Android started, it did not have any ground breaking features, & its android market had far less apps than Windows currently has (100000 and counting). Not to forget that due to cross platform compatibility, the number of Windows apps will grow rapidly. MS Office is the killer app.

nope, but with tighter windows and microsoft cloud inregration it may have a hell of a lot of buisnesses looking at it...

Agreed. The developers have to make just one app which will work on smartphones, tablets and PCs. Even if phones don't sell as much, the developers will remain interested in the platform due to PCs. Windows phone will automatically benefit from it. This integration may prove to be a master stroke for Microsoft.

Full launch video here:

http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/webcast/live/

The main problem for windows 8 phones is going to be the price. Rumour is OEM's are going to have to pay Microsoft an $85 license at least on tablets.

Going to be hard to compete with Android at that rate.

At least the new Nokias look good - the current ones (that you cant update to win8 either) are poor.

I'm sure Nokia will have a concession. 

I think the 920 will cost £499, on par with current flagship phones of other manufacturers. They may well sell for £599 if the capacity is 32GB (& price themselves out of competition in the process).

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-microsoft-pays-us-more-than-we-pay-them-b...

They may very well get a concession but at the end of the day it is going to be the number of phones leaving the shelves that counts. Nokia's business plan depends a great deal on this phone being a success and in my opinion the only way that is going to come to fruition is for them to significantly undercut the opposition.

I do not believe they are going to do that and forsee another Nokia failure.

I personally will not be buying one.

Given the feature set it comes with & given that the 920 is the flagship phone, it's unreasonable to expect it to significantly undercut competition. In fact, it shouldn't undercut competition on price, else people will never respect the phone for what it is.

HTC & Samsung will take care of that. Nokia will later release cheaper versions for the mass market.

I will keenly watch its progress. 

The 920 is a pretty hefty phone to have in your pocket.

920 - 185g

4S - 140g

S3 - 135g

ONE X - 130g

Oh dear...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19499879

Personal excitement level is:

(Mind you, that's about as excited as I get about any mobile phone...)

....although Samsung Galaxy S3 & One X are made of plastic. It depends how it feels in hand. If the 920 is made of premium materials, it may well be worth it. Have to personally check how it is.

Could be down to the extra bloated software??

Oh dear indeed ...........

With the shares dropping as much as 15 per cent following the glitzy New York unveiling it is obvious that the markets would have liked to see some more innovation, more of a wow factor. Ben Wood, head of research at CCS Insight said to Reuters “The Lumia 920 feels like more of an evolution of existing Lumia phones than the revolution we expected from the close collaboration between Nokia and Microsoft” he thinks that to compensate the two companies will “…have to spend eye-watering sums on marketing and offer the new phones at aggressively low prices.” ..............

I don't want to say I told you so but..........