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What an idiotic comment, you NEVER heard them in any adverts...

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All of which just means Alantiggger's still wrong anyway, I'm taking that as a win either way!

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All rap music?

Chris

No. A lot of todays top 40's rap music is rubbish and gangsta rap has for the most part always been not very good but look beyoned that stuff and your find like with all styles of music some good stuff. Stuff like Arrested Development, Mc lars, RUN-D.M.C., The Fat Boys, A Tribe Called Quest and Da La Soul to name but a few.  

Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  Music that survives and becomes "permanent" has to have some enduring quality, a great tune, a great lyric, etc. I'm a child of the sixties and 90%+ of the music of that era has disappeared (except in specialist circles) and all that is left are things with some great quality.  So my kids listen to the Beatles and Bob Dylan as well as the music of their era.  I may be blind to it but I don't see such qualities in rap.  But for example I think some Adele songs have enduring qualities.

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Covenanter wrote:

All rap music?

Chris

No. A lot of todays top 40's rap music is rubbish and gangsta rap has for the most part always been not very good but look beyoned that stuff and your find like with all styles of music some good stuff. Stuff like Arrested Development, Mc lars, RUN-D.M.C., The Fat Boys, A Tribe Called Quest and Da La Soul to name but a few.  

Not a rap fan. However...in my old job we had a gym with a large tv that constantly played MTV. During Enimen`s prolific period I did grow to appreciate his music and the often clever/moving videos he used to promote them.

Sometimes you just need to spend a bit of time with something to learn to appreciate it. On the treadmill in front of the tv I was a captive audience and it worked I guess you could say.

I have never been a fan of Enimen, can not stand his music.  He would never have been has big as he was if he had not got endorsement from Dr Dre. Also I will never forgive him for bringing that god awful rapper 50 Cent to the limelight. Enimen is everything wrong with today's rap sence if you ask me.

Fair play Mr R. Definately deserves a mark down for 50 Cent!   Smile

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70s prog rock

No!

Double No!

 

'70s prog is pretty timeless, unlike the late '70s/ early '80s NWOBHM like Saxon, Judas Priest & Iron Maiden....... I'm not saying they're bad, but they have dated quite badly....

 

+ another one.

I recently got SACD version on Caravan's 'In the land of grey and pink' and it still sounds great. Also recently purchase Wishbone Ash 'Bue Horizons', dated? I think not.

However I certainly have. Smile

 

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Well it's all subjective is it not? If I listen to Pictures at An Exhibition by ELP it sounds dated to me, as does some really early Genesis.

Some of the later Yes albums sound more dated (to me) than their earlier (and IMO best) albums i.e. Fragile, Close to the Edge.

I don't think Asia have dated particularly well either.

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All rap music?

Chris

No. A lot of todays top 40's rap music is rubbish and gangsta rap has for the most part always been not very good but look beyoned that stuff and your find like with all styles of music some good stuff. Stuff like Arrested Development, Mc lars, RUN-D.M.C., The Fat Boys, A Tribe Called Quest and Da La Soul to name but a few.  

Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  Music that survives and becomes "permanent" has to have some enduring quality, a great tune, a great lyric, etc. I'm a child of the sixties and 90%+ of the music of that era has disappeared (except in specialist circles) and all that is left are things with some great quality.  So my kids listen to the Beatles and Bob Dylan as well as the music of their era.  I may be blind to it but I don't see such qualities in rap.  But for example I think some Adele songs have enduring qualities.

Chris

 

People said the same thing about Jazz music in the 1920 and look how wrong they were. I can not stand musical snobbery in any form. The song Mr Wendal by rap group Arrested development is about treating homless people better and not looking down on them because they are people too. Tale away the Beat and repalce it with folk music melodies and you have a song that bod Bob Dylan could of sung in the 1960's. I love all musical styles such as classical music, rock, folk, country, world, metal, punk, jazz and so on.  and I will never look down on any style of music because I love music. 

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Well it's all subjective is it not? If I listen to Pictures at An Exhibition by ELP it sounds dated to me, as does some really early Genesis.

Some of the later Yes albums sound more dated (to me) than their earlier (and IMO best) albums i.e. Fragile, Close to the Edge.

I don't think Asia have dated particularly well either.

No question in my mind, Close to the Edge is their best album, don't listen to any studio albums after Going for the one.

As for really early Genesis, depends what you mean by early. From Genesis to Revelation I can live without, but any studio album from Trespass to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway I still listen to frequently. The Lamb sounds perfectly modern to me.

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...and Da La Soul...  

Great albums, but the worst gigs I've ever been to.

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Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  

Pretty long moment. As far as I can recall, rap has been around since the late 70s early 80s, so around 30 years and counting. It has also influenced other music forms, so it would be pretty ignorant to claim it was a flash in the pan without any impact. Like with any music form, there is plenty of pop fluff and worthless carp, but there is also plenty of influential, groundbreaking music.

Stuff.

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MrReaper182 wrote:

Covenanter wrote:

All rap music?

Chris

No. A lot of todays top 40's rap music is rubbish and gangsta rap has for the most part always been not very good but look beyoned that stuff and your find like with all styles of music some good stuff. Stuff like Arrested Development, Mc lars, RUN-D.M.C., The Fat Boys, A Tribe Called Quest and Da La Soul to name but a few.  

Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  Music that survives and becomes "permanent" has to have some enduring quality, a great tune, a great lyric, etc. I'm a child of the sixties and 90%+ of the music of that era has disappeared (except in specialist circles) and all that is left are things with some great quality.  So my kids listen to the Beatles and Bob Dylan as well as the music of their era.  I may be blind to it but I don't see such qualities in rap.  But for example I think some Adele songs have enduring qualities.

Chris

 

People said the same thing about Jazz music in the 1920 and look how wrong they were. I can not stand musical snobbery in any form. The song Mr Wendal by rap group Arrested development is about treating homless people better and not looking down on them because they are people too. Tale away the Beat and repalce it with folk music melodies and you have a song that bod Bob Dylan could of sung in the 1960's. I love all musical styles such as classical music, rock, folk, country, world, metal, punk, jazz and so on.  and I will never look down on any style of music because I love music. 

I don't "look down" on anybody's music.  I simply said that I don't see any great quality in rap music.  I may be wrong but I don't see it.

To pick up on your other example, I don't like jazz but I am a great admirer of the abilities of many of its practitioners.  It doesn't "speak to me" as a genre that's all.

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MrReaper182 wrote:
...and Da La Soul...  

Great albums, but the worst gigs I've ever been to.

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Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  

Pretty long moment. As far as I can recall, rap has been around since the late 70s early 80s, so around 30 years and counting. It has also influenced other music forms, so it would be pretty ignorant to claim it was a flash in the pan without any impact. Like with any music form, there is plenty of pop fluff and worthless carp, but there is also plenty of influential, groundbreaking music.

But will people be listening to it in 100 years time?

As for influence, that may be true and I'll accept that it is, but in the "classical" field Schoenberg was one of the most influencial figures of the 20th century but who listens to his music now?  Only a few enthusiasts I would suggest.

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I don't think anyone should dismiss a whole genre of music. I'm not particularly fond of Folk music, but Nick Drake is classed as Folk, and I love all of his albums. 

I'll agree with you that a lot of Rap has dated badly, and is of poor quality, but when you have the wonderful album by Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy within the Rap genre, and loads of great tunes by Public Enemy, you surely cannot dismiss the whole genre.

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The Waterboys' 'This is the Sea' was one of my favourtite albums in the early/mid 80s. I still think the songs are great but listening to it now the production doesn't stand the test of time. I think they just forgot how to make songs sound good for a while.

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MrReaper182 wrote:
...and Da La Soul...  

Great albums, but the worst gigs I've ever been to.

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Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  

Pretty long moment. As far as I can recall, rap has been around since the late 70s early 80s, so around 30 years and counting. It has also influenced other music forms, so it would be pretty ignorant to claim it was a flash in the pan without any impact. Like with any music form, there is plenty of pop fluff and worthless carp, but there is also plenty of influential, groundbreaking music.

But will people be listening to it in 100 years time?

As for influence, that may be true and I'll accept that it is, but in the "classical" field Schoenberg was one of the most influencial figures of the 20th century but who listens to his music now?  Only a few enthusiasts I would suggest.

Chris

I listen to Schoenberg!  Things like the Gurrelieder, Verklate Nacht, Pierrot Lunaire, and the Piano Concerto are quite wonderful.

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ID. wrote:

MrReaper182 wrote:
...and Da La Soul...  

Great albums, but the worst gigs I've ever been to.

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Well rap isn't my thing but it seems to me that it is music "of the moment" and that once the context has gone it will have little relevance.  

Pretty long moment. As far as I can recall, rap has been around since the late 70s early 80s, so around 30 years and counting. It has also influenced other music forms, so it would be pretty ignorant to claim it was a flash in the pan without any impact. Like with any music form, there is plenty of pop fluff and worthless carp, but there is also plenty of influential, groundbreaking music.

But will people be listening to it in 100 years time?

As for influence, that may be true and I'll accept that it is, but in the "classical" field Schoenberg was one of the most influencial figures of the 20th century but who listens to his music now?  Only a few enthusiasts I would suggest.

Chris

I listen to Schoenberg!  Things like the Gurrelieder, Verklate Nacht, Pierrot Lunaire, and the Piano Concerto are quite wonderful.

But I think you would agree that you are one of a small band.  (?) 

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