It will take a while but expectations are equally important but I read negativity here on 4k in this forum and not even the journalist fronm HCC or What Hi Fi sound that negative?? Why? Do you want a plasma 4k annoucemnent,when there is none, is that the real kernel of the prejudice? Unbelieviable if so?
Frankly, I do not even think you want the next big TV thing as it will make your plasma redundant..... But each to their own.I leave it there.
It has nothing to do with plasma. Where's 4K content in the UK? Sky & Virgin have made no announcements towards delivering 4K.....they're not even delivering 1080p. Even Sony isn't releasing its 4K media player in the UK. Broadband speeds here are still not capable of streaming 4K movies.
What's the point of buying a 4K TV now? All you'll get to watch is upscaled SD and HD pictures. 1080p content will look better natively on a 1080p TV than upscaled to fit 4K TV.
Let someone announce commitment to delivering 4K content in the UK, then interest will pick up.
Your point is one sided though.Why is Sony launching 4k in the UK? Are they stupid...they must know what you say already?
The 4k TV needs to be in the homes first then the broadcasters will act. It is not a 'chicken and egg, as to what cames first argument. Like the PS3 example it had bluray.....that got the disk playing potentials into the home before the bluray disks expanded. Likewise the 4k TV Hardware will precedes the broadcast software.
I read negativity here on 4k in this forum
I haven't said anything "anti-4k" in principle. I simply observed that you can't access 4k content in the UK right now and that this will remain the case for the foreseeable future. That's pretty easy to get a handle on. If you know something that complicates my observation, please let me know and I'll revise my position.
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the 4k TV Hardware will precedes the broadcast software.
The point is that 4k hardware considerably precedes 4k software. Can you advise us of a date at which a worthwhile library of native 4k content will be available in the UK? The necessary infrastructure isn't even close to being in place. Indeed, there are no plans I know of to start work on upgrading this infrastructure.
Why is Sony launching 4k in the UK?
Because they want to distinguish their new televisions from older models; and because some people will mistakenly believe there's an advantage to buying the technology at a premium. (That they'll somehow have bragging rights over others.) Think of 4k televisions like Amir Khan's gold plated iPhone -- it doesn't offer any practicable advantage, but he can show it to his mates in the hope they'll be consumed by jealousy, thereby validating Amir Khan's existence on planet consumer.
So you tell me; why did Sony release 4K TV in the UK but refuse to release all the 4K goodies it has in the US? Jut to add to what strapped says, Sony wants a one-up in technology by being amongst the first to release a 4K TV. Even though Sony was the first to sell an OLED TV (although it was only 15 inches), the advantage of being the first to launch OLED is jointly held by Samsung and LG. So Sony wants to be amongst the first to launch 4K TV in the UK. Its own market feasibility studies may have prevented it from simultaneously releasing 4K media player and 4K movies in the UK along with the US.
Nobody is anti-4K here. As soon as broadcasters start announcing 4K plans, people will be interested. The last thing they want is to buy expensive 4K sets, and broadcasters then deciding that 4K uptake is poor and so postpone broadcasting in 4K by a few years. All they will end up with is an expensive 4K TV, the main feature of which they won't be able to use. Look what BBC & ESPN did with 3D. Still, 3D movie discs are available. There aren't plans to release true 4K disc players and movie discs (the "mastered in 4K" blu ray disc is a gimmick by Sony to encourage people to buy their 4K TV even though it's offering no more than 1080p resolution.)
Don't relate every TV issue to people's love for plasma. It is a childish argument. Everybody knows that a 4K plasma TV is unlikely to see the day. The future will be a 4K OLED TV.
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If this were true then surely we would all be enjoying broadcast television in native 1080p resolution?
Fully accept Korea are well ahead of Europe on this front, and I believe Japanese broadcasters are investigating how to deliver 4k TV, but sadly the UK is years away.
The broadcast spectrum is not wide enough without either radically reducing the number of freeview channels (which there is potentially an argument for, since most of those channels are largely tosh), or grabbing more spectrum (which is difficult as they've sold most of it for 4G etc).
The broadband network won't be able to handle it for years, as penetration of cable is far to low and even the new fibre optic networks only deliver 15-20meg if you live more any distance from the exchange, and by the governments own targets decent broadband rollout is two years behind plan.
Potentially the most practical option for any kind of 4k broadcast/streaming could ironically be the 4g mobile network, in terms of a network having the necessary bandwidth, but I can't see the mobile operators allowing their shiny, expensive new 4g networks being gummed up by streaming of 4k TV (and no-one baking able to make calls as a result), and even then a good connection speed will be limited to the major cities for several yets to come (Just look at Ee's coverage map, if you don't live in the m25, Birmingham or Manchester your screwed).
That only leaves 4k BluRay for the UK, which personally I would be happy to invest in if it were delivered, if there was sufficient content to justify the upgrade cycle (ie more than just a couple of demo discs, nature documentaries and 'The Amazing SpiderMan'), but there's been no statement of intent as yet from any hardware manufacturers or film studios.
Which is a bit off really, given that Sony are both a hardware manufacturer and a film studio - since they are selling the displays why aren't they so selling 4k BluRay players and 4k blurays?
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Interesting article on the whole subject here:
I take the points expressed seriously and duly noted especially Mr M's response. It sounds bleak?? 4k deserve and need to succeed because:
Sony did a worldwide survey 2 years ago, it was mentioned in what hi fi. As Sony was recovering from poor sales it needed to tap into the public consciousness in knowing what the the public wanted in TV. Results shocked sony, very few wanted 3d.Espan and BBC have cancelled 3d broadcast recently.Now the public also did not direct say they want ultra Hd but the wording was not in the question understandably so not to mislead. The overall results show public wanted increase 2d image quality.
There are only 3 ways to do this.Wide colour gamut set, contrast improvement and ultra definition.The contrast thing is mission accomplished.That topic needs to close. That leaves the colour and definition improvement and that is what sony is doing. Oled in theory will do all three but price is highly prohibitive. 4k is the only answer irrespective if it is from a plasma-unlikely now, so it is down to 4k Led to meet the expectation.
The argument is very logical and incorporates public needs,very vital or else 4k will be another 3d fad or hype.
Broadcasters here after the 3d failure is likely now to want to see proof of 4k interest and that will have come from 4k Tv sales if they are to do anything.In South Korea, the broadcaster can just go with the new idea and the public will follow.4K will suceed there.
The UK is a difficult market to crack unlike the smartphone or tablet market for hi def.The pS4 if it upscale games could break the mould.If people keep harping on about ooh...there is no 4k broadcast in the UK so why 4k Tv....that statement is forfilling a vicious circle of self prophecy. Setting up 4k to fail. It it is as crass as to say to someone ...you disabled what is the point in doing sports? There are many uses of 4k...hi def pc/ps4 gaming,ultra photograph image viewing, hivdef ultra downloads from youtube, broadcasting will have to wait here.
If 4k fails in the West,Oled will also fail.It us not one or the other. 6 grand projected cost for a 55 inch Oled here will few takers here and it will be 1080p?
It it is as crass as to say to someone ...you disabled what is the point in doing sports?
Oh dear... it's really not.
You're more than welcome to pay a premium for features you're not sure will get used, just for the sake of showing sales to encourage broadcasters to adopt 4K. 8K TV isn't made yet. But Japan is aiming for 8K broadcast by 2020:
The main function of a TV is watching broadcasted programmes and watching movies, not ultra photograph image viewing. Youtube downloads are not 4K as yet, nor does broadband in most homes are fast enough to support 4K streaming.
Unless the broadcasters show commitment to 4K, 4K TV sales in UK will remain low. HD became popular only after Sky went HD, and PS3 drove in blu ray sales.
Gamemaker - the point is, for most UK consumers, a 4K TV set is currently pointless if there is nothing to play on it which shows off how good it is. If I was looking for a TV now, I certainly wouldn't be paying more for a 4K set. This is because everything I will watch on it now will be 1080p at best, and the majority of my TV viewing for the next 5 years will also likely be 1080p at best. Maybe in a few years when 4K is built in as a standard i.e. I'm not paying a premium for it, I might be interested. But not now. I recognise this is different in other countries, I'm purely talking as a UK consumer.
Look at it this way. If Sony had announced the PS4 would be released tomorrow, would be backwards compatible so you could play PS3 games on it, but also said there wouldn't be any dedicated PS4 games until enough people had bought it to make that worth their while, do you think this would be met with vast consumer interest? The answer is no. People would say, make some games for it, and I'll think about buying it, but until then, I'll stick with the PS3. It's the same argument for 4K content I'm afraid.
The one thing that could shift the paradigm here would be if Sky fully engaged.
They're the one company that has the broadcast platform with the available bandwidth (satellite), the ability to roll out the necessary hardware (ie replacement set-top boxes), the financial muscle to roll this out at heavily subsidised prices, with access to potential content (Hollywood films and premium sports content), and on the sports front with the clout to insist on 4k cameras being used in all premier league grounds and major sporting events (cricket, F1 etc).
If sky came out the blocks in 2014 and offered 3 genuine 4k channels for an extra £10 a month (sports, movies and nature), plus a free set-top box, then that could be a game changer.
I know it didn't work with 3D, but 4k doesn't require people to sit in their lounge wearing sunglasses!
and no-one baking able to make calls as a result
I've always been bad at multitasking.
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