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RE: The ultimate shoot out?

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!The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I personally think you're better off with a PJ at that point.

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Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Were the TVs calibrated? If so, how (via THX Optimiser software, or professionally)?

Perhaps all TVs at the Bristol show were in shop mode, to "wow" passersby. Also, what were the viewing conditions?

The Leeds event may level the playing field. I say this because I saw an LG 4K LED at a similar event last year. In near blackout conditions the 6090, ZT/VT, and F8500 looked markedly better to my eyes. 

I'm not suggesting you reached the wrong conclusion. Newer 4K televisions will almost certainly better the LG I saw, and different people have different requirements.

I'll be interested to read your views after seeing these TVs side-by-side under controlled conditions.

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bigboss wrote:

I put my thoughts on this thread:

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

 

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

 

:cheers:   I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.  

 

Compared to your VT Gel, what are the main differences/improvements in pic quality; is it the blacks?

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Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I guess it depends on what you mean by the average British home.

A friend of mine consistently argues that there's an inverse relationship between screen size and class.

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daveh75 wrote:

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I guess it depends on what you mean by the average British home.

A friend of mine consistently argues that there's an inverse relationship between screen size and class.

Based on my experience in a business that took me into thousands of homes over the years to fit aerial and sat systems I'd tend to agree.

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Series1boy wrote:

gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I put my thoughts on this thread:

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

 

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

 

:cheers:   I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.  

 

Compared to your VT Gel, what are the main differences/improvements in pic quality; is it the blacks?

 

 

Blacks were noticeably better, yep. I suppose it was like going from a CRT TV to a LED first time, that's what the jump was like. Extra brightness and better colours.

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:cheers:

gel wrote:

Series1boy wrote:

gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I put my thoughts on this thread:

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

 

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

 

:cheers:   I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.  

 

Compared to your VT Gel, what are the main differences/improvements in pic quality; is it the blacks?

 

 

Blacks were noticeably better, yep. I suppose it was like going from a CRT TV to a LED first time, that's what the jump was like. Extra brightness and better colours.

:cheers:

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gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I put my thoughts on this thread:

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

 

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

 

:cheers:   I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.  

I think it will be wise to see consumer reports who've owned OLED sets for 12-24 months at least. There are already reports of burn in:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/

Lifespan of current OLED TVs is also unknown at the moment.

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daveh75 wrote:

bigboss wrote:

!The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I personally think you're better off with a PJ at that point.

I put the limit to 65 inches.

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bigboss wrote:

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Were the TVs calibrated? If so, how (via THX Optimiser software, or professionally)?

Perhaps all TVs at the Bristol show were in shop mode, to "wow" passersby. Also, what were the viewing conditions?

The Leeds event may level the playing field. I say this because I saw an LG 4K LED at a similar event last year. In near blackout conditions the 6090, ZT/VT, and F8500 looked markedly better to my eyes. 

I'm not suggesting you reached the wrong conclusion. Newer 4K televisions will almost certainly better the LG I saw, and different people have different requirements.

I'll be interested to read your views after seeing these TVs side-by-side under controlled conditions.

No, I don't think they were calibrated. It was What Hi Fi demo.

That's why I said in the other thread that I need to see more comparisons before I can have a firm opinion. I think LG 4K LED is hardly a representative of good quality 4K sets in the market currently. I would like to see Sony and Samsung in the comparisons. The demo will be interesting.

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daveh75 wrote:

strapped for cash wrote:

daveh75 wrote:

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I guess it depends on what you mean by the average British home.

A friend of mine consistently argues that there's an inverse relationship between screen size and class.

Based on my experience in a business that took me into thousands of homes over the years to fit aerial and sat systems I'd tend to agree.

 

I wonder what size TV they have in Buck Palace then. Maybe one of those really old portables that's like an inch screen.

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bigboss wrote:

daveh75 wrote:

bigboss wrote:

!The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I personally think you're better off with a PJ at that point.

I put the limit to 65 inches.

Nobody will be surprised that I wade in at this point. No, daveh75, it's probably not just you, but I strongly disagree. I have a 60" LG 60PZ950T plasma TV at the longer end of my 17' by 14' kitchen, and I also have a 64" Samsung PS648000 plasma at the longer end of my 18' by 14' parlour, and neither television looks ridiculous etc. (By the way, what does "low-rent" mean?). In fact, with the LG now having been in my kitchen for about the same time (approaching two years) as its predecessor (a Pioneer LX5090, which is now in the second bedroom) had been in the kitchen, I've been thinking that fine (despite its dodgy black levels) though the post-calibration LG is, it would be finer if it were at least ten inches bigger! I don't dispute that bigboss and others would go for a projector for screen sizes above around 65 inches, as indeed the ace calibrator Steve Withers suggested to me on the phone last week. For me personally (and I stress that I'm comfortable if other people differ) I would prefer a VERY large television rather than a projector. Following the conversation with Steve Withers (prompted by my asking him if it would be worthwhile raiding my pension fund to get one of the last Panasonic 65VT65 televisions to replace my Samsung, and though the Panasonic has better black levels he didn't think that overall that the Pansonic would be a wise move for me) I think my next, reasonably feasible upgrade target would be the 80-inch Sharp LC-80LE657, £4,400 from John Lewis, cheaper elsewhere http://www.johnlewis.com/sharp-lc-80le657-led-hd-1080p-3d-smart-tv-80-with-freeview-hd/p819640. Steve said that he has seen these very large (60. 70. 80 and 90 inches) 2013 Sharp televisions, and they are quite good!

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bigboss wrote:

gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I put my thoughts on this thread:

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

 

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

 

:cheers:   I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.  

I think it will be wise to see consumer reports who've owned OLED sets for 12-24 months at least. There are already reports of burn in:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/

Lifespan of current OLED TVs is also unknown at the moment.

 

Yep, I am reading the owners thread on AV, but there are always bad reports on there eg Panasonic and all TVs.  The pixels concern me, but it's highly unlikely I will buy one this year, but you can get a 5 year warranty from John Lewis and any problems they will sort it.

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Son_of_SJ wrote:

bigboss wrote:

daveh75 wrote:

bigboss wrote:

!The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I personally think you're better off with a PJ at that point.

I put the limit to 65 inches.

Nobody will be surprised that I wade in at this point. No, daveh75, it's probably not just you, but I strongly disagree. I have a 60" LG 60PZ950T plasma TV at the longer end of my 17' by 14' kitchen, and I also have a 64" Samsung PS648000 plasma at the longer end of my 18' by 14' parlour, and neither television looks ridiculous etc. (By the way, what does "low-rent" mean?). In fact, with the LG now having been in my kitchen for about the same time (approaching two years) as its predecessor (a Pioneer LX5090, which is now in the second bedroom) had been in the kitchen, I've been thinking that fine (despite its dodgy black levels) though the post-calibration LG is, it would be finer if it were at least ten inches bigger! I don't dispute that bigboss and others would go for a projector for screen sizes above around 65 inches, as indeed the ace calibrator Steve Withers suggested to me on the phone last week. For me personally (and I stress that I'm comfortable if other people differ) I would prefer a VERY large television rather than a projector. Following the conversation with Steve Withers (prompted by my asking him if it would be worthwhile raiding my pension fund to get one of the last Panasonic 65VT65 televisions to replace my Samsung, and though the Panasonic has better black levels he didn't think that overall that the Pansonic would be a wise move for me) I think my next, reasonably feasible upgrade target would be the 80-inch Sharp LC-80LE657, £4,400 from John Lewis, cheaper elsewhere http://www.johnlewis.com/sharp-lc-80le657-led-hd-1080p-3d-smart-tv-80-with-freeview-hd/p819640. Steve said that he has seen these very large (60. 70. 80 and 90 inches) 2013 Sharp televisions, and they are quite good!

 

 

Sharp TVs are good and I have always liked the 60inch models. Costco have the 80inch model and to be honest it does look too big, it will cover a whole wall in a house!

Home cinema system: Panasonic 50VT65 (THX calibrated), Pioneer Bdp-lx71, Pioneer Vsx-lx70, B&W FPM Series, B&W PV1.

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gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I put my thoughts on this thread:

 

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

 

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

 

:cheers:   I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.  

I think it will be wise to see consumer reports who've owned OLED sets for 12-24 months at least. There are already reports of burn in:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/

Lifespan of current OLED TVs is also unknown at the moment.

 

Yep, I am reading the owners thread on AV, but there are always bad reports on there eg Panasonic and all TVs.  The pixels concern me, but it's highly unlikely I will buy one this year, but you can get a 5 year warranty from John Lewis and any problems they will sort it.

im not sure pixel issues are covered under the warranty gel?

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