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UE55ES8000 vs TX-P50GT50
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Having visited John Lewis yesterday evening, I had a close look at 2 of the TVs they had on display. Firstly, I looked at the GT50, which was showing tennis on BBC HD, and I was struck by how similar the picture looked to my Kuro, great detail, smooth motion, and a really natural pallette. 

I then moved on to the much hyped ES8000, and was immediately struck by how awful the picture looked, so I checked which channel it was showing, and it was showing the other BBC HD channel. The picture to me seemed unatural, lacking clarity, and with a blotchy, pixellated overall look to it.

My wife even noticed the huge difference between the GT50 and ES8000, and said, that's what you get if you buy cheap products, only for me to tell her that the GT was £1100 cheaper. Shocked, she was.

It was also displayed side by side with a Panasonic LED TV, and the Pana, though not great, was hugely better than the Samsung. 

Now I know that the settings could have been poor, but it makes no sense to me why JL would not want to show a two and a half grand TV off to it's best ability.

 

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Hi mate

 

Yep, I totally agree with what you're saying, they are the same in our John Lewis too, the Samsung is just too bright.  Getting the Panasonic home and seeing it on a regular basis it is even better than in the shop.  I watch the same discs most of the time and have compared the Panasonic with the Pioneer LX5090 extensively and they are so alike.  Watching the Da Vinci Code or Star Wars you can't tell the difference.  (Makes you think that Kuro technology has come into play here.)

 

 

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That's what the guy in John Lewis thinks too.

Is it just a rumour, or are Panasonic now using the Kuro technology?

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

That's what the guy in John Lewis thinks too.

Is it just a rumour, or are Panasonic now using the Kuro technology?

 

There was talk of it from the Panasonic guys to what extent - not sure.  Going on a visual basis I would say yes for me.  Managed to compare the 50vt30 against the 50gt50 extensively too and the gt50 is so much better.

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I love my Kuro, but the connectivity of the new Panasonics, along with the fantastic pictures means it could be, and I do mean could be, time to trade in the Kuro.

I think I'd only get about £500-£600 for the Kuro now though.

Back to the Samsung, I just can't believe it's as bad as it looked in the shop. Some reviews I've read do say that the initial settings are very in your face, and do need some work to get the picture to look as it should. It must be a good tv, but LEDs/LCDs are just not for me, as I've never seen one that comes close to my Kuro.

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In defence of the shop, it's impossible to expect the guys to spend hours calibrating every display TV that's in there.
Most TV manufacturers program in a "shop mode" setting which is designed to make the picture "pop" out at the casual viewer, which works great if they are showing something like The Simpsons but fares less well with ordinary material.

Of all the TV sets I've seen on display I'd estimate that 0% are showing just what they are capable of.
There really is no perfect calibration as that depends on ambient lighting (which is rather harsh in shops), choice of source material, etc etc.

You can't really compare sets by using the in store feed and lighting enviroment.
That's where the esteemed crew at WHF come in, they do have the time/resources to set up a system and eek out the best/worst in any given set.

Without sounding condesecending, if WHF dismiss an item, I tend to give it a wide berth.
If it receives a recommendation then it goes to my audition short list, end of.

The ultimate decision is always mine but expert recommendations help save so much time.

IMHO the current state of the art is between the Panasonic VT and the Samsung.
I went with the Sammy 8000.

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Not sure how good these pictures look now, BB pictures for you too.  Wink

 

The top one is for the blacks!

 

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  I have some how managed to get them out of focus, any tips guys?

 

Cheers  Smile

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Hi gel, the pictures might be slightly smaller but can you copy & paste.

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Hi gel, the pictures might be slightly smaller but can you copy & paste.

 

Hi mate

 

Ah cheers I will have a go.

 

Cheers!

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See if this works! 

 

Oh well.

 

Can't do it without showing my account - rats!  Any idea on how to get my photos looking better, because they look great.

 

Cheers.

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I'm with tonya on this one, I never judge a tv based on their setup in shop mode with bad feed etc, I compared these 2 tvs at a richer sounds in their demonstration room where I knew I could 'trust' the results and to my eyes the Sammy was better...I suppose it's a matter of taste, the panny had a more natural picture but the Sammy just had better definition and clarity for me and it looks more stylish imo.

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 Still can't get it right. Just showed some of you all my pictures what did you think?   Smile

 

The pictures look great and are in focus, just can't transfer them in focus, oh well...

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uberfrag wrote:

I'm with tonya on this one, I never judge a tv based on their setup in shop mode with bad feed etc, I compared these 2 tvs at a richer sounds in their demonstration room where I knew I could 'trust' the results and to my eyes the Sammy was better...I suppose it's a matter of taste, the panny had a more natural picture but the Sammy just had better definition and clarity for me and it looks more stylish imo.

As I said, I'm sure the Samsung must be better than what I was seeing, but I still think that for fast motion, Plasmas are far better. I like natural pictures, I don't want natural images to look artificial. 

The big thing I noticed with the Samsung the other day, and have noticed on LCDs that I have owned, is the pixellization (is that a word?) of the images close up, Plasmas, don't have this, they look just as good at close quarters.

I'm really not knocking the Samsung, but from what I've seen, it will not be on my audition list come new tv time.

Edit. And I don't like the new, or previous stand on the Samsungs, so to my eyes, they are not more stylish, Again, just my point of view.

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Just can't get it in focus, even though the photos are in focus.

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I'd like to help, but unfortunately I'm useless with that kind of thing  :)

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