In short, they reckon the only discernible difference is that the ZT maintains its contrast better in bright rooms, and that in a dark room there's nothing between them.
Does that chime with anyone's experience who went along yesterday?
That doesn't chime with my experiences. I can't speak for anyone else there.
The ZT has a slightly cleaner picture than the VT, but any difference was only noticeable when viewing the TVs side-by-side and subjecting them to intense scrutiny. I'd speculate that the ZT's "gapless" bonding accounts for any small differences. I concluded that the differences in performance were so marginal that a 65VT65 is a more sensible purchase than a 60ZT65. That's just my opinion. Others may feel differently.
As for bright room performance, I honestly can't comment. All TVs were set up in a light controlled environment.
Hope that's some help...
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I was in John Lewis yesterday and saw the 51" Samsung F8500. It was showing only a demonstation feed, but I have to say, even under shop lights the picture did look good, really good. It's just a shame about the stupid stand!
I like the stand! Though I understand certain objections. Unless you're wall mounting, you need an AV rack at least as wide as the F8500.
Hello there strapped,
My problem with the Samsung F8500 stand, and several others, it that it makes it very difficult to place a centre speaker or soundbar, without wall-mounting! I'll develop this theme in about three weeks, when I have a bit more time, if I come back safely from a 10-day holiday thousands of miles away.
One specific easy question about yesterday. What sizes were the Samsung F8500 and the Panasonic VT65 plasmas? You've told us that the Pioneer was a 6090, a 60", and the Panasonic ZT65 is available in only a 60".
And following a question posed only a little while ago, having seen all the televisions, are you any more decided in your own mind about which, if any, you would buy next? I think you said that you would stick rather than twist unless one of the yesterday's TVs was clearly better than your TV. So, are any of them significantly better than your own present television - sorry, just remind us what you have just now please? Maybe you'll get one of the new ones if you want a bigger set, in which case I guess it would be the 64F8500 or 65VT65 rather than the 60ZT65.
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yep, thanks. Have had the tape measure out and can just about fit a 65" VT between my front speakers (without 3cm to spare).
have some thinking to do...
Lounge: Panasonic TX-P60ZT65B (calibrated), Pioneer SC-LX75, Denon DPB-2012, Sky-HD1TB, PS4, Xbox 360, Apple-TV, Atacama Equinox AV stand, Monitor Audio Silver RX8, RXC, RX-FX, RXW-12. Kitchen: Pioneer XC-HM81, Monitor Audio Bronze BX2. Bedroom: Samsung UE37D6510, Samsung BD-C5900, Sky-HD, Pioneer N-50, Rotel RC-03 (pre-amp), Rotel RB-9708X (power-amp), Mordaunt-Short MS914
Have had the tape measure out and can just about fit a 65" VT between my front speakers (without 3cm to spare).
Nah, no thinking needed! Go for the 65VT65 rather than the 60ZT65, especially as strapped has confirmed that the performance difference in favour of the ZT65 is so small. If Mrs Malarky objects, my rates for counselling services are very reasonable ....! :) And don't forget that the 65VT65 is, I think, about £400 cheaper than the 60ZT65, unless you really, really want that personalised booklet or something that you get with only the ZT65. But really, I have a 60" TV in the kitchen and a 64" in the parlour, and as Mae West would have said, size matters. Bigger is better.
As you say, both the Pioneer and ZT65 were a 60" TVs. The VT was the 55" and the F8500 was the smaller (51") set.
I already own a 50VT65 and I'm sticking with that. In my opinion, buying a second-hand Pioneer would be a false economy now. I can't afford or accommodate a 60" TV, but if I could, I'd still buy the 65" VT65 over the 60" ZT.
I should also add in response to several questions asked that I'm entirely fallible. Any opinions expressed are my own and nobody should make a decision based on my commentary.
I'd urge anyone to audition all contenders and decide for yourself. My priorities may be very different from yours.
N'ah, I'll just blame you if I buy one and its rubbish!
N'ah, I'll just blame you if I buy one and its rubbish!
You certainly can't blame strapped for cash if you buy the 60ZT65 instead of the 65VT65 .....
You can blame me all you like. Forum anonymity makes retribution impossible.
There's virtually no price difference between the price I ordered the ZT for and the price that shop is selling the VT for (around £200, which in the grand scheme of things when both are over £3k, is marginal).
Like the idea of the larger screen.
Prefer the look of the ZT (think it looks slightly better as a result of not having the speakers on the front).
Think the 65" will actually be so big it's over-bearing in our current lounge. However, we're planning on moving house late next year.
This will go one of two ways; I'll either stick with the ZT and sit there thinking "the other one would have been bigger", or I'll change to the VT and every time I notice the most minimal of picture imperfections I'll sit there thinking "I wonder if the ZT would have done that?"..
I may actually break with tradition and consult mrs m on this one!
Think the 65" will actually be so big it's over-bearing in our current lounge.
How big (exact dimensions, please!) is your current lounge?
Steady on, now!
If you had been in America rather than in Britain, you would not have this dilemma. In America they can get a 65ZT60 (for some reason the sufffix in America is 65, not 60).
Radical thinking, I know, but if I do end up choosing the behemoth then trust me, much better to get her buy-in first!
Yes, I've got Blade Runner disc. Can you remind me to take it with me on 31st please? Will check it for you.
Well, whaddya know? 31st May came and went, and I forgot to remind you to take your disc of Blade Runner to play for about 30 seconds in to two minutes in, as the actors' names are faded in and out, to see if the Samsung F8500 plasma has the same brightness pops that my Samsung PS64D8000 plasma does. Ah well .....
It's actually tomorrow, but I won't be able to go. Friends from London have come over to spend the weekend with us.
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