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SolarGlider wrote:

I also believe that Samsung has recognized the fact that Panasonic is winning every award year after year with plasma.

I don't think Samsung will be losing any sleep on that. Barring a handful of countries including UK, plasma is almost dead. Despite the "award winning" TVs, Panasonic is posting record losses & is on the brink of exiting the TV business while Samsung continues to post record profits.

I suspect Samsung's motive is far ulterior: it wants to hasten Panasonic's demise.

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bigboss wrote:

I suspect Samsung's motive is far ulterior: it wants to hasten Panasonic's demise.

As you know, I broadly agree with this appraisal, though I also think Panasonic has been an architect of its own downfall. If Panasonic exits the TV business, it's not entirely down to extrinsic pressures and competition.

Ignore customer service and aftersales support at your peril. If you consistently hang customers out to dry after they purchase premium products, don't be surprised when they say "enough is enough." Samsung can't make Panasonic implode, despite its market dominance.

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Perhaps it has been designed by the same person who did the Sony pedestal from last year........ Smile

It's possible that Samsung has taken inspiration from Sony's product design. If so, it's good that they dropped the failing to stand up straight trick.

I agree, I'm afraid the angle of the Sony put me off it totally.

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Quixel Research has done a report on the sales of plasma this year and stated: “There is no doubt that plasma is facing a challenge, but for now it remains very much alive with well-priced models in the 50-inch and 60-inch display range, which saw sales rise by 23% and 18% respectively,”

So it's very possible that Samsung is just adapting to this evolution and decided to make high-end plasma's for the limited time till they produce oled's. 

They will scale down plasma production even further no doubt. But I don't think Panasonic is going to kick the bucket since they already have a co-op with Sony to print oleds.

 

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I'm sure a flagship Plasma from Samsung can't be less than 2k? Was their flagship LCD even more?

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This is the pre-order price in the US:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51F8500-51-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00BCPGO...

So I suspect, the 51-inch version will cost £1800-2000, & the 64-inch one will cost £3000-3400.

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Thanks BB.

The Amazon.com price price has fluctuated from $1,900-$2,200 over the last four days. I'm willing to pay £1,800 if the TV is notably better than the VT60.

At the current exchange rate, $2,000 = £1,340. I'm hoping £2,000 is a little steep for the 51", despite relatively high UK prices. We'll see...

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RE: Samsung F8500 plasma anticipation thread

SolarGlider wrote:

Quixel Research has done a report on the sales of plasma this year and stated: “There is no doubt that plasma is facing a challenge, but for now it remains very much alive with well-priced models in the 50-inch and 60-inch display range, which saw sales rise by 23% and 18% respectively,”

So it's very possible that Samsung is just adapting to this evolution and decided to make high-end plasma's for the limited time till they produce oled's. 

They will scale down plasma production even further no doubt. But I don't think Panasonic is going to kick the bucket since they already have a co-op with Sony to print oleds.

Thanks for the stats Solar Glider. Do you have a link to the Quixel report? I'm interested to read it.

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RE: Samsung F8500 plasma anticipation thread

Thanks BB.

While plasma sales haven't been entirely unstable, or unhealthy, I'll be interested to see the figures in three or four years time.

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strapped for cash wrote:

Thanks BB.

The Amazon.com price price has fluctuated from $1,900-$2,200 over the last four days. I'm willing to pay £1,800 if the TV is notably better than the VT60.

At the current exchange rate, $2,000 = £1,340. I'm hoping £2,000 is a little steep for the 51", despite relatively high UK prices. We'll see...

Don't forget that the Amazon.com price excludes sales tax which varies from state to state and is added after the sale, whereas I assume the price you are hoping for in the UK will include VAT.

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Good point, though US sales tax is lower than UK VAT, ranging from nought to seven percent. I'd still consider £2,000 for the 51" expensive by comparison.

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Unfortunately these manufacturers don't use the same exchange rates as the financial markets. Smile

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Is LCD cheaper to produce / develop than Plasma? I would say Plasma would only die if LCD gets really good (which it seems to be doing) AND its cheaper to put in store.....?

maybe Plasma will just become more high end for movie lovers....my limited GT50 use and first ever Plasma after years of LCD, I find Plasma much much better for movies, in a room trying to recreate a cinema experience, but not as good / usable / easy viewing with normal tv show viewing....

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Nick_Shepherd wrote:

Is LCD cheaper to produce / develop than Plasma? I would say Plasma would only die if LCD gets really good (which it seems to be doing) AND its cheaper to put in store.....?

Yes, technically, LCD is cheaper, because you can apply 1 technology to cover all devices - from smartphones & camera screens to large TVs. I don't think plasma's demise will be linked to LCDs being cheaper. If that was the case, why don't plasma TVs sell in price conscious markets like India?

Plasmas will die out when the sales fall & manufacturers don't make any money from it. 

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