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For now a quicker way of getting rid of IR is to turn the brightness and contrast up to the max,then run the scrolling bar....worked for me.

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I went through the same with my GT30...that was 3rd time lucky as my 1st had a grey shadow line down one side of the screen and the 2nd had loud buzzing then my 3rd got the IR and cloudy screen issue after 6 months use. Does sound very familiar to what is being reported on this thread.

And we're talking about award winning televisions; not just in this mag, Panasonic plasma televisions receive the highest praise wherever you look. 

I'm rapidly losing faith in reviews, which as stated on another thread, is not necessarily the fault of reviewers. It's fine to use reviews as a rough guide, but fail to conduct wider research at your peril. 

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Yep calibrated the game mode on my GT30 as you are right that out of the box it's set to ridiculous levels, if I remember correctly I ended up reducing all the levels by at least 2/3rds to get it at a more accurate level. I even used the AVS HD calibration disc for game mode to get it as accurate as I could to avoid any issue caused by inaccurate calibration.

I even used the calibration options on every game I owned that had them to get the brightness and colour levels correct for every game I was playing but alas none of it helped in the long run :cry:

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

I don't game on this tv, I wouldn't dare. I used to use the Kuro to play Wii golf, and never had a hint of a problem, even if I played for hours.

If the op is correct about getting IR after just 5 minutes of use, there's something seriously wrong with the GT

Is the GT series simply not fit for purpose then if you can't or wouldn't dare use it for gaming? The tv has a game mode and there is no warnings in any of the documentation that says you shouldn't use it for gaming just a very vague warning about not having static images on the screen for a long time.

I agree, my GT30 had IR after just 5-10mins use...that surely isn't right and must be pointing towards some sort of inherent fault? It's strange that not all users are affected though as many have never reported any IR, as far as I know gel for eample has had no issues with his GT50 :?

 

I am on my third!   Smile  First one buzzing, and line down the screen only visible on football, second was buzzing really loud, third is pretty perfect, just got to be extra careful with image retention from what I have seen with all three.  

I was aware of that but none of your issues have been IR related have they gel? Yes it's common sense to be careful when running the tv in but to get serious IR issues when you are 6 months into the life of the tv isn't acceptable, I went through the same with my GT30...that was 3rd time lucky as my 1st had a grey shadow line down one side of the screen and the 2nd had loud buzzing then my 3rd got the IR and cloudy screen issue after 6 months use. Does sound very familiar to what is being reported on this thread.

 

Nope, no major problems at least, and nothing sustainable, slight glimpses of it at times, soon cleared up, major careful ever since.  Definitely not a gamer.

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I no i have the VT50, and this topic is about the GT50, but my 9 year old son likes playing fifa on the wii, i have it set on game mode but have turned down the contrast and brightness a fare bit just to be safe, and limit him to about an hour at a time.

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gel wrote:

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gel wrote:

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

I don't game on this tv, I wouldn't dare. I used to use the Kuro to play Wii golf, and never had a hint of a problem, even if I played for hours.

If the op is correct about getting IR after just 5 minutes of use, there's something seriously wrong with the GT

Is the GT series simply not fit for purpose then if you can't or wouldn't dare use it for gaming? The tv has a game mode and there is no warnings in any of the documentation that says you shouldn't use it for gaming just a very vague warning about not having static images on the screen for a long time.

I agree, my GT30 had IR after just 5-10mins use...that surely isn't right and must be pointing towards some sort of inherent fault? It's strange that not all users are affected though as many have never reported any IR, as far as I know gel for eample has had no issues with his GT50 :?

 

I am on my third!   Smile  First one buzzing, and line down the screen only visible on football, second was buzzing really loud, third is pretty perfect, just got to be extra careful with image retention from what I have seen with all three.  

I was aware of that but none of your issues have been IR related have they gel? Yes it's common sense to be careful when running the tv in but to get serious IR issues when you are 6 months into the life of the tv isn't acceptable, I went through the same with my GT30...that was 3rd time lucky as my 1st had a grey shadow line down one side of the screen and the 2nd had loud buzzing then my 3rd got the IR and cloudy screen issue after 6 months use. Does sound very familiar to what is being reported on this thread.

 

Nope, no major problems at least, and nothing sustainable, slight glimpses of it at times, soon cleared up, major careful ever since.  Definitely not a gamer.

That all sounds like exactly what you would expect to happen really, some slight IR is acceptable and for it to clear up quickly.

I was very careful when I got the first instances of it but it seemed to spread like a disease and there was nothing I could do about it, Pixel Orbitor was on all the time and I adjusted the contrast and brightness down to levels well below calibration but none of it worked just as has been reported here.

The only difference was that i'm a gamer too which i'm sure is the problem with the GT series, if you love the GT for movies and tv then I would advise anyone to have a seperate tv for gaming as the GT just doesn't seem to like it.

On a more positive note it's great to hear your GT50 is still going strong and does go to show that good examples are out there, I hope it serves you well for many years to come Smile

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Oldboy wrote:

gel wrote:

Oldboy wrote:

gel wrote:

Oldboy wrote:

BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

I don't game on this tv, I wouldn't dare. I used to use the Kuro to play Wii golf, and never had a hint of a problem, even if I played for hours.

If the op is correct about getting IR after just 5 minutes of use, there's something seriously wrong with the GT

Is the GT series simply not fit for purpose then if you can't or wouldn't dare use it for gaming? The tv has a game mode and there is no warnings in any of the documentation that says you shouldn't use it for gaming just a very vague warning about not having static images on the screen for a long time.

I agree, my GT30 had IR after just 5-10mins use...that surely isn't right and must be pointing towards some sort of inherent fault? It's strange that not all users are affected though as many have never reported any IR, as far as I know gel for eample has had no issues with his GT50 :?

 

I am on my third!   Smile  First one buzzing, and line down the screen only visible on football, second was buzzing really loud, third is pretty perfect, just got to be extra careful with image retention from what I have seen with all three.  

I was aware of that but none of your issues have been IR related have they gel? Yes it's common sense to be careful when running the tv in but to get serious IR issues when you are 6 months into the life of the tv isn't acceptable, I went through the same with my GT30...that was 3rd time lucky as my 1st had a grey shadow line down one side of the screen and the 2nd had loud buzzing then my 3rd got the IR and cloudy screen issue after 6 months use. Does sound very familiar to what is being reported on this thread.

 

Nope, no major problems at least, and nothing sustainable, slight glimpses of it at times, soon cleared up, major careful ever since.  Definitely not a gamer.

That all sounds like exactly what you would expect to happen really, some slight IR is acceptable and for it to clear up quickly.

I was very careful when I got the first instances of it but it seemed to spread like a disease and there was nothing I could do about it, Pixel Orbitor was on all the time and I adjusted the contrast and brightness down to levels well below calibration but none of it worked just as has been reported here.

The only difference was that i'm a gamer too which i'm sure is the problem with the GT series, if you love the GT for movies and tv then I would advise anyone to have a seperate tv for gaming as the GT just doesn't seem to like it.

On a more positive note it's great to hear your GT50 is still going strong and does go to show that good examples are out there, I hope it serves you well for many years to come Smile

 

Cheers buddy.   Smile  I plan to keep it for years.

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I no i have the VT50, and this topic is about the GT50, but my 9 year old son likes playing fifa on the wii, i have it set on game mode but have turned down the contrast and brightness a fare bit just to be safe, and limit him to about an hour at a time.

 

Sounds like a sensible way to go about it.

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Ahem. I seem to recall on a recent thread advising not to game on a Plasma, and getting castigated by BB for giving "strange advice", on the basis that Plasmas had better motion and response times than LEDs.

That may be the case, but I stand by what I said. As much as you should be able to use a modern PDP for gaming without getting  IR, in reality you cant.

That is not to say that the OP has done anything wrong, and no, I do  not believe that he should be experiencing the problems that he is. I would report the issue straight away to the retailer and get a replacement.

Unfortunately the Logos on some channels are a bloody menace and should be banned, there is no need for them. I find the more transparent logos used by BBC HD and sky sports to be fine; it should be compulsory to use this type rather than the solid type.

 

 

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Unfortunately the Logos on some channels are a bloody menace and should be banned, there is no need for them.

From the viewer's standpoint this is entirely true; but in the present mediascape, all channels are competing for our attention. Commercial and subscription channels often feel a need to shout loudest by using the most prominent and unsightly logos, especially relatively new channels; a bit like a bunch of three years olds screaming "look at me" in an effort to gain visibility among established elders.

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Son_of_SJ wrote:

Which plasma TV have you now, and which one had you previously?

Hi Son_of_SJ

Recent TV is a Panny 50"GT50, old TV (now in conservatory) is a Panny 42"G20.  I've had a few recent issues with IR on my GT50 that frankly I don't recall having at all on my G20

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Ah, a Panasonic GT50 is the culprit, not really too much of a surprise, alas. As I may have said on another thread fairly recently, I can quote only my own experience with plasmas. I have not noticed Image Retention on my Samsung TV or on either of my Pioneer TVs. However, I have seen it on my LG 60PZ950T, which is now in the kitchen (the Pioneer LX5090 is now in the second bedroom). IR on the LG will occur if a static image is left on for too long. I'm not sure how long is necessary to cause IR, but on a couple of occasions I've fallen asleep while watching CSI on channel 5 +1, to wake about three hours later to reasonably faint but definite IR. It goes after using the Colour Wash option for about an hour, I guess. But again, I've not seen IR on the Samsung or the Pioneers. And yes, I have pixel orbiter switched on on all four of my plasmas. The answer in my case might be that the LG is a decent set, but certainly not a premium model, it is big and was reasonably cheap. But your 50GT50 is a pretty high-end set so you are entitled to feel aggrieved to be getting IR. And someone should tell Panasonic that IR was not an issue with the G20 series of two or three years ago, so in one respect Panasonic has gone backwards.

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Ahem. I seem to recall on a recent thread advising not to game on a Plasma, and getting castigated by BB for giving "strange advice", on the basis that Plasmas had better motion and response times than LEDs.

That may be the case, but I stand by what I said. As much as you should be able to use a modern PDP for gaming without getting  IR, in reality you cant.

That is not to say that the OP has done anything wrong, and no, I do  not believe that he should be experiencing the problems that he is. I would report the issue straight away to the retailer and get a replacement.

Unfortunately the Logos on some channels are a bloody menace and should be banned, there is no need for them. I find the more transparent logos used by BBC HD and sky sports to be fine; it should be compulsory to use this type rather than the solid type.

Well, I've never experienced IR on my Kuro despite playing PS3 games for up to 7 hours at a time. Even Son_of_SJ hasn't experienced IR on his Kuro. This year's Panasonic plasmas have had their share of problems, most likely due to compromise on quality to save costs. You can't generalise all plasmas as being unsuitable for gaming.

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cloverleaf146 wrote:

Ahem. I seem to recall on a recent thread advising not to game on a Plasma, and getting castigated by BB for giving "strange advice", on the basis that Plasmas had better motion and response times than LEDs.

That may be the case, but I stand by what I said. As much as you should be able to use a modern PDP for gaming without getting  IR, in reality you cant.

That is not to say that the OP has done anything wrong, and no, I do  not believe that he should be experiencing the problems that he is. I would report the issue straight away to the retailer and get a replacement.

Unfortunately the Logos on some channels are a bloody menace and should be banned, there is no need for them. I find the more transparent logos used by BBC HD and sky sports to be fine; it should be compulsory to use this type rather than the solid type.

Well, I've never experienced IR on my Kuro despite playing PS3 games for up to 7 hours at a time. Even Son_of_SJ hasn't experienced IR on his Kuro. This year's Panasonic plasmas have had their share of problems, most likely due to compromise on quality to save costs. You can't generalise all plasmas as being unsuitable for gaming.

I concur. I have never seen image retention on my Kuro. My boys play Wii games on it, sometimes for long periods. Glad I got the Kuro....
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I'm glad the Kuro doesn't have problems with IR, but this knowledge doesn't get the OP any further, unless they plan to buy a second hand 5090.

Image retention is clearly a problem with the GT50, along with screen uniformity issues. Panasonic have made backward steps with regard to these aspects of performance. 

Panasonic's recent lack of real world form is another reason I'm contemplating a 50" Samsung F8500 plasma, if the price is right and it's as good as the marketing suggests.  

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Panasonic's recent lack of real world form is another reason I'm contemplating a 50" Samsung F8500 plasma, if the price is right and it's as good as the marketing suggests.  

The Samsung could be a good shout Strapped, I wonder how much it'll cost? Any idea at all?

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