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RE: Pioneer Kuro club members - anyone sold their TV yet?

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I dont know anything about that so cant comment - but I dont think its what a pro would use..

 

Look at this review of the Panasonic 50VT50 - page 2 calibration - this site does really good indepth tv reviews with proper calibration results.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm?page=Calibration

Look at the 50VT50 RBG Tracking and DeltaE - the RGB colours are off and the delta errors which is how you measure gray scale are all high - just barely acceptable which is under 7 and not acceptable in the blacks and dark shades 0 through 40

Now look after he has calibrated the screen the RGB Tracking and Delta Errors are both near perfect - seriously seriously good calibration results!

Now thats a screen that is going to seriously impress, like be as good as you have seen, if not the best you have seen

He does mention THX Cinema as being very close to a calibrated screen so new Panasonic Owners are very lucky, Kuro and other owners are not quite so we have to do it ourselves / get someone in

Its the same for 3D as well if you scroll down not sure that would be calibrated but I am sure its doable

To be honest, I'm not that anal about these things. I would rather enjoy watching films on my TV than worry about overly complicated calibration. I'm extremely happy with my TV & can't fault its picture quality. Then why bother?   Smile

 

Sorry not trying to offend you or anyone else, I am trying to help you and anyone else reading this to try it and get more from their TV's - I know I may not come across like that and I apologise but its hard writing how you would say it in real life.

I am not being anal about statistics - Its how you measure the picture you are seeing - its the only way its measured I know of.

I am glad you are happy you have a great TV and you spend a lot of time on this forum posting so I know you are interested in this as a hobby. 

Calibrating your TV is a new learning curve / part of the hobby that thanks to the internet and the chap who wrote the really indepth guide we can do it at home with 0 knowledge and miminal out lay.  Its not that complicated, its actually easy, you just need to do it a few times, make a few mistakes and do it again just like everyhing else new.

I will stop harping on now - hopefully will have inspired a few peeps to have a look into doing it themselves - unless you have THX Cinema mode and a 2012 Panny - you can sit fairly pretty as you are very close already - luck you Smile

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Of course I know you're not trying to offend. It always helps if forum members are aware of what's available out there to improve the picture quality on their existing TV before thinking of buying a new one.  Smile

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Of course I know you're not trying to offend. It always helps if forum members are aware of what's available out there to improve the picture quality on their existing TV before thinking of buying a new one.  Smile

Or as well as buying a new one Wink the New Pannys look stunning, I didnt realise they would come out that good, the older models 20 / 30 have all had issues - if I didnt have what I had I would be buying one of them no question as they are proper Kuro rivals - probably beaters in 2D + you get 3D

Its quite amazing that the st, gt and vt are all so good and people can buy a tv that suits their budget and they will still get class leading picture, very close to a full calibration out of the box and the option to calibrate the screen that guarantees near perfect results

This is the year to buy a new Panny Plasma!!

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Of course I know you're not trying to offend. It always helps if forum members are aware of what's available out there to improve the picture quality on their existing TV before thinking of buying a new one.  Smile

Or as well as buying a new one Wink the New Pannys look stunning, I didnt realise they would come out that good, the older models 20 / 30 have all had issues - if I didnt have what I had I would be buying one of them no question as they are proper Kuro rivals - probably beaters in 2D + you get 3D

Its quite amazing that the st, gt and vt are all so good and people can buy a tv that suits their budget and they will still get class leading picture, very close to a full calibration out of the box and the option to calibrate the screen that guarantees near perfect results

This is the year to buy a new Panny Plasma!!

 

Agreed.  They seem to be selling well - certainly at John Lewis.  I hope my pictures and videos have managed to show some of their qualities to people too.

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You did manage to shoot a brilliant video showing the blacks Panasonic is capable of.  Smile

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You did manage to shoot a brilliant video showing the blacks Panasonic is capable of.  Smile

 

Cheers BB.  I have done quite a few now on YouTube, stuck some on AV too.

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You did manage to shoot a brilliant video showing the blacks Panasonic is capable of.  Smile

 

Cheers BB.  I have done quite a few now on YouTube, stuck some on AV too.

What picture setting are you using on the TV are you using THX Cinema?

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bigboss wrote:

You did manage to shoot a brilliant video showing the blacks Panasonic is capable of.  Smile

 

Cheers BB.  I have done quite a few now on YouTube, stuck some on AV too.

What picture setting are you using on the TV are you using THX Cinema?

 

Hi

 

At present I am on normal factory settings - I am still running and checking everthing is okay.  These ones are sceptical to image retention so I am being very careful.  I like all the settings I have to say though except dynamic on this plasma.  I do like THX cinema though and will experiment some more soon.  I have one that does not buzz either - so I am a happy bunny. 

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No 50hz issues to report either.   Cool

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gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

You did manage to shoot a brilliant video showing the blacks Panasonic is capable of.  Smile

 

Cheers BB.  I have done quite a few now on YouTube, stuck some on AV too.

What picture setting are you using on the TV are you using THX Cinema?

 

Hi

 

At present I am on normal factory settings - I am still running and checking everthing is okay.  These ones are sceptical to image retention so I am being very careful.  I like all the settings I have to say though except dynamic on this plasma.  I do like THX cinema though and will experiment some more soon.  I have one that does not buzz either - so I am a happy bunny. 

 

Have you read the review that I linked to - they do review tv's very indepth and they was bang on with calibrating a Kuro (getting best out of) and they say THX Cinema is very close to a full calibration i.e. the best the screen can do

Do you not have settings like orbitor on Kuro to stop image retention / screen burn, there must be somethign similar?

I didnt think you had to worry now days with plasma - unless you are running extreme high contrast ?

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ellisdj wrote:

gel wrote:

ellisdj wrote:

gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:

You did manage to shoot a brilliant video showing the blacks Panasonic is capable of.  Smile

 

Cheers BB.  I have done quite a few now on YouTube, stuck some on AV too.

What picture setting are you using on the TV are you using THX Cinema?

 

Hi

 

At present I am on normal factory settings - I am still running and checking everthing is okay.  These ones are sceptical to image retention so I am being very careful.  I like all the settings I have to say though except dynamic on this plasma.  I do like THX cinema though and will experiment some more soon.  I have one that does not buzz either - so I am a happy bunny. 

 

Have you read the review that I linked to - they do review tv's very indepth and they was bang on with calibrating a Kuro (getting best out of) and they say THX Cinema is very close to a full calibration i.e. the best

Do you not have settings like orbitor on Kuro to stop image retention / screen burn?

I didnt think you had to worry now days - unless you are running extreme high contrast - light output ?

 

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Yep - read it.   Yeah it has an orbitor and it is on.   I am currently on my third set because the first two were buzzing loud and the first one got image retention too.  I currently am going to rotate between normal and THX cinema to see which I prefer.  First couple of hundred hours of this plasma in use, people on the forums recommend being seriously careful with regards to image retention though.  But to be honest even if I do get a little, I would live with it, because what is the alternative.  

 

I had the Pioneer lx5090 but got screen burn mark in a straight line from top right, down to the bottom.  This was down to using a cheap Sony blu ray player - unbelievably but true.  Before it was fine, attached the Sony 480 I think it was and noticed a line down turned it off burn mark still there on the green screen.  But when warming up and down it used to click a lot so I still manage to sell it for £500, sold my Sony and bought this and the vt30 this smashed the vt30 - easily so I sent it back.

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This is on a par with the Pioneer lx 5090, but I do prefer this one - just!

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This is on a par with the Pioneer lx 5090, but I do prefer this one - just!

 

You are big screen super unlucky - my LX5090 buzzes a bit but other than that its been flawless.

If you watch orbitor depending on the mode you select it dims the picture then restores it continuoulsy - how have you managed to burn several sets????

What contrast are you running - was you running on the LX5090 - you must have burnt your eye balls out as well :shifty:

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This is on a par with the Pioneer lx 5090, but I do prefer this one - just!

 

You are big screen super unlucky - my LX5090 buzzes a bit but other than that its been flawless.

If you watch orbitor depending on the mode you select it dims the picture then restores it continuoulsy - how have you managed to burn several sets????

What contrast are you running - was you running on the LX5090 - you must have burnt your eye balls out as well :shifty:

 

You know you have the three settings the screen ones on looking after the screen.  Can't remember the names. But I just ran on normal settings and rotated between the three to start with but the manual recommended setting one, so I just kept with that, but I had to go down to number two because it helped with the clicking noise.

 

Image retention I have no idea because I never pause, I don't play games, sky sports news where the writing stays put is the one that these Panasonics don't seem to like.  But I have been watching it on this one and it does seem okay.

 

With regards to the Pioneer that was just a one off, got the Blu-ray player from Marks tried taking them with trading standards but in the end got no where.  Got two independent people out to see it but neither would write the report.  Last time I buy a cheap blu ray player!  It did happen that way though.

 

With the Panasonic even being careful you still could get it.

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This Panasonic has the green screen like the Pioneer.  My friends and family all prefer the Panasonic, they also like the slim frame, sound is decent too.

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