Good to see that there are 2.4 calibrations out there. So 2.2 is better for a brighter room, 2.4 is better for a darker room. 2.4 in a bright room looses the blacks, what if you do 2.2 in a dark room, that's the difference to 2.4?
2.2 in a darker room seems a bit too bright to me and the blacks don't go as deep as they do in 2.4 movie mode. Every TV is different though and the same may well not be true of plasma TVs simply because of the differences in tech, plasma is better in a darker room and therefore might not need to go down to 2.4 as it's able to dig out that detail and black level at 2.2??
All I can say is how my calibration was done and for my Samsung 55F8000 TV in my room 2.4 movie is better in a darker room
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My tv is being collected tomorrow for the retailer to do their own testing. Then I have to sit and wait and see if they either 'can't see it' or 'it's within spec'
or if they admit that it is faulty and will give me a refund
either way I expect to be waiting and chasing for a couple of weeks, such a painful process
The fight continues then
I just hope that once the retailer has looked at it they see sense and that you get a refund, it does seem to have dragged on and on this one though and it's about time you had a definitive answer one way or the other. Fingers crossed you get some good news soon and can move on, what's on the hit list to replace it or haven't you thought that far ahead yet?
cheers oldboy, I could do with getting it sorted soon.
ive considered a few tvs if I can get a refund.
Sony 55" w905 and w805
Samsung 55" f7000, can't have the f8000 due to the stand, I can't wall mount the tv as it's in a corner
Philips 55" 8008 although this might be to much and you can't get at John Lewis, but I'd it's the best I'll get it else where if there returns policy is any good
Panasonic 50vt65 I'd be silly not to consider it given that it's so good, but it would really have to be much much much better than the rest. Also given my space I can get 55" LCD/led but only 50" plasma due to the frame
cant think of any more, if there is one I've missed let me know
cheers, it's all interesting stuff to consider later on.
Did I read elsewhere that you lost all your calibrated settings after some firmware update/reset
hope it was easy to get back
Your list seems pretty much identical to the one I drew up of replacement TVs rocket except I added the 55F8000 to it. It came down to the Sony W9, Samsung F7000 and 8000 and a VT65 when I auditioned them and I've a feeling the same will be true for you, it's a personal choice but any of those are a good bet.
Yep lost all my settings when trying to rectify a slight niggle with the Smart Hub of the TV which had slowed to a crawl and took the advice on the Samsung UES8000 thread here:
which turned out to be incorrect advice and instead of doing a so called "soft" reset it reset EVERYTHING! It even wiped my entire Smart Hub and just left me with the web browser, it's taken me a few days to get it all back as I wasn't able to access the Samsung portal for downloading apps as that is an app in itself...I could shoot the person responsible for that misguided advice as it's caused me all sorts of issues but serves me right for assuming an ES8000 model would be the same as F8000.
Fortunately getting the calibration results back into the TV was simple enough as I just copied the report which detailed every setting but it was still time consuming and not what I expected, I've left a warning on the thread for everyone else so they don't have to go through the same hassle but it's mostly my fault so lesson learnt and it's all back and working correctly now
ah mate, sorry to hear that. At least it's back to normal now though
i thought the list was similar, they seem to be the better tv's at the mo
Interesting though the part about 2.4 calibration. Other than ellisdj who I remember reading calibrated his at 2.4 did any of the professional calibrations get done at 2.4? (For any tv not just the vt65's)
Hello rocketrazor, when Steve Withers calibrated my televisions, all of which are plasmas, and all for subdued daylight, with the curtains drawn but certainly not blackout conditions, these were the gammas he arrived at: Pioneer LX5090, gamma 2.1338; Pioneer 428XD, gamma 2.2476; Samsung PS64D8000, gamma 2.2681; LG 60PZ950T, gamma 2.4224.
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do I take it very few people watch films in total black out! am I the only one? I like all lights off
I take it very few people watch films in total black out! am I the only one? I like all lights off
Most professional calibrators provide day and night calibration settings. For instance, my TV is calibrated to 2.2. gamma for daytime viewing and 2.4 for viewing in a completely dark room. That way I can watch with the lights on or off.
Ambient light affects greyscale and colour reproduction, so a calibration performed with the lights on will not be as accurate when you turn the lights off, and vice-versa. (It's probably of minor interest, but my 3D calibration was done in a completely dark room. This is the best way to watch 3D content due to the loss of brightness the glasses impose.)
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Strapped that depends on the meter used.
Ifs its a contact meter then it will matter much less.
Even if the meter is not contact then they have compensation for ambient light built in. However I would always do a calibration in a darkened room to overly make sure there are no adverse affects on the results I am sure that's the same for all
You should really learn to do it now you have seen it done.
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Though ambient light still influences greyscale and colour; and therefore influences the picture's accuracy.
A calibration performed in a blacked-out room remains suited to viewing in a blacked-out room; and a calibration performed with ambient light in the room is best viewed under the same ambient lighting, irrespective of the calibrator's meter.
Day and night calibrations are also important in terms of shadow detail. Brightness and contrast should be optimised for specific viewing conditions.
Accuracy and detail are always compromised if you use the same settings for viewing in different light conditions. It therefore makes sense to perform a day and night calibration. I'm not trying to be argumentative, that's just how I see it.
I can see the logic in perfoming one calibration if, say, you always view in a batcave, but that doesn't reflect most people's viewing habits. Did you try separate day and night calibrations on your Pioneer or VT65?
With regard to buying a meter and software and going the DIY route, I will some day, but it's far from a priority right now.
Okay, it doesn't copy Enter the Dragon, but Chan-wook Park must've been inspired by that scene. The Bruce Lee escape fight is sensational, but Oldboy takes it to another level altogether. As you said, the violence is just brutal.
It'll be interesting to see what direction Hollywood takes. Will there be as much violence? I'd be very surprised.
I just wish they would leave it alone,the only reason I'm going to give it a chance is because it's the same writers that gave us the reworking of infernal affairs as the departed.
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Its impossible to calibrate the TV for every level of ambient light a viewing room is likely to have - it will be different am to pm summer to winter - so that theory is flawed.
The only way is to calibrate it to a lighter / higher gamma to try and compensate for ambient light in general.
I have found though I have only watched the set on 2.4 gamma since I have done it. I have not once changed it and I am fussy with what I watch and its not a dark image at all as you know, just deep and lush.
I'm not arguing that a TV can be calibrated to compensate for every form of ambient light that may enter a room. I agree with you that this is impossible. That said, if you perform a night calibration in a blacked-out room, the picture will be less accurate than the day calibration once ambient light is introduced.
I'm simply arguing that it's beneficial to have two calibrated picture modes that seek to optimise the television for different viewing requirements. (Obviously a calibration and viewing in a completely dark room should eliminate variables; while a day calibration can never be so consistently accurate.)
Of course you can have two calibrations at lower and higher gamma, one for day, another for night. I find the day calibration advantageous on a particularly bright day, even though I use the night settings more frequently. If I had to choose one, I'd stick with the 2.4 calibration, but I'm glad I have the choice.
I get what your saying there - thats somehting I have not considered trying. Calibrating with ambient light - a non contact meter is obviously needed for that.
Thats sounds tricky - I think thanks to good filters on the main TV's I have owned I have never found the picture to be worsended by ambient light enough to make me want to try it before - would have bought ZT if thats the case as well.
Interesting idea though strapped - you should definately be learning thsi trade as you have the mind for it - I could teach you all I know if you lived closer
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