Cheers for the heads up Gel - PM is much easier
I have replied to you both
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Will do now. Cheers. I don't need 3D done.
if you do go ahead you may as well get 3d done at the same time gel, without wanting to speak for Ellis I doubt it will affect the cost, and it will be nice knowing its been done even if you only ever rarely use it.
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I sold my 3D glasses, so I definitely will not use it. Couldn't get my Blu-ray player and amp to do it properly either, and when I did get it setup got a really bad headache! So my 3D days are over, and yep I was hoping for a bit of a discount as a result of not having the 3D done. Just spoken with Ellisdj and the price seems reasonable already though and was about what I was thinking too, so that is good. Perhaps a little less. But I am going to leave it a month and getting more used to the set and then contact him again to see if I want it done.
I like Ellisdj's pictures too, so I will be off to a good start there, and will be saving myself a bit of money in the process. It sounds a good route to take, what do you think? Cheers. Because you have had a professional do it?
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Ellisdj you are playing a dangerous game mate. I understand the desire to make a quick buck, but you are neither ISF nor THX-certified, and use a cheap £200 meter which itself may not have been calibrated and would probably have drifted. Do you own a signal generator, or just use a free calibration disk you can burn off the Internet?
Also, do you have any sort of insurance protection in the very unlikely event that you brick someone's TV, or the TV develops a fault when you are calibrating?
Professional calibrators undergo formal training, and use annually calibrated meters, signal generator and software costing thousands of pounds. I know it's probably more expensive, I don't know what rate Ellisdj charges, but I'd willingly pay £50 to £100 more just for the peace of mind, as well as assured quality from a properly trained and equipped pro calibrator.
Good points. Even if I paid a top calibrator I would probably go for the top dog Steve Withers. I am really fussy.
I appreciate those comments - that's why I didn't state any prices. I am not trying to do anyone out of business in fact its the opposite the posts I have written and the pictures I have posted on here and on AVF have generated a lot of business for calibrators so I am fully supporting those who do it professionally as it were.
In saying that I have proved the results that I have achieved with the metre I have and the knowledge I have.
I cant see how any TV could be bricked my using its normal menus - I would not access any service menus I have made that clear.
In terms of using test patterns from a disc - I don't see why that is a big issue either. At the end of the day the player the disc is in is the player the person will be watching their movies on.
So I have only offered to do it as a favour as it were - I dont see as there is any risk to anyone - if they dont like it, they put it back to how it was....
Good to know - cheers.
forgot you'd had your issues with getting 3D to work and had sold your 3D blurays - shame though, we watched 'john carter' the other night on sky's 3D channel and it was good fun. Some people are more sensitive to the active shutter system though, so if you find it gives you headaches it does sound like a non-starter.
I obviously don't know what Ellis would charge, Steve withers charged £250 and I felt I'd had value for money based on the improvements in picture performance, so it's basically a value judgement for you depending on what the difference in prices is. It was nice to get the detailed reports from steve detailing the 'before' and 'after' for all the various settings, but the primary goal is a great picture so if Ellis can do that and its a decent saving then it might be worth a look if you maxed out on funds buying the TV itself.
I wouldn't be too worried about the set developing a fault through Ellis not being certified etc, if he's only accessing standard menus and using commercially available test discs through your disc player then he's not (so far as I can tell) doing anything that could damage the set or invalidate its warrantee, though if you wanted to put your mind at rest you could ask for a list if the equipment he'd be using and give the retailer or panasonic a quick call first?
There's nothing a calibrator could possibly do to invalidate the warranty without accessing the service menu. (There would be no reason to access the service menu anyway.) The VT65's white balance and colour management controls are all that's needed, along with a meter and software, of course.
EllisDJ, can you advise how old your i1 is (I think you have an i1?) and whether it's profiled against a spectro?
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Cheers mate - appreciate it! Would Steve Withers charge me £250 too? Ellis has given me a fair price for sure, I have said I will think on it for a month and then get back to him. I am still getting used to the TV at the moment, so I am not in a rush. Cheers
i would guess so, if your in Milton Keynes (?) then your not much further away from him than I am (albeit opposite side of London), and if yor not having 3D done it would take less time. No point doing anything till you've clocked up 200 hours anyway so no need to rush your decision.
The meter I bought came with the software direct from them - from the states. Its a Calman C3
They told me if kept it in the right conditions - depending on usage its good for 2 years, I have had it about 8 months.
Moisture and light causes it to drift.
Its seen no light other than that of the tv - its done about 6 calibrations so hardly any at all.
Its kept in a dark drawer that's never opened, in its original packaging with the addition of about 30 silica gel packets to make sure there is minimal moisture that gets in the box.
In reality I would probably trust it for 12-18 months and then dispose of it. Its that type of design / cost of product.
Its advertised as accuracy of 0.003 with a repeatability of 0.0005.
You do get a bit of variation in the gamma readings, I mean small variations but that's how plasma works anyway - I have learnt how to compensate for that. These variations are 0.1 or 0.2 in difference so too small to make a difference to the eye but I always want a perfect cal if I can get it
A better meter may be more accurate and it will be faster, especially at lower IRE levels but the differences I would hazard a good guess that they are so small as to not be noticeable even by a trained eye. Spectracal / Calman have developed the metre for the home user - its states
• Accuracy previously unavailable at this low price
If I had cal'd my first or second displays and thought they looked bad I would have had someone in - its been the opposite. I am yet to see any pictures anyone's taken of their pro calibrated sets that touch mine tbh so I cant be far off it if at all.
I can show before and after results - they are sometimes more shocking than what you actually see.
To point out and make clear - this is not a business I am running doing this - i was going to do it as a favour in essence for Gel and he posts a lot on here and he needs to see for his own eyes the benefits because I am sick of him saying not needed
Yep, Milton Keynes. Yep, I see me owning this TV for years to come, so I will take my time. Appreciate it.
I think it would help people like me if people could post more before calibration and after shots of their TVs, and perhaps YouTube videos too. Basically I haven't got a clue what it will look like afterwards and I am paying £250 for it! I know it will improve the picture I accept that, but by how much? 10 per cent, 20 per cent? 50 etc. I think there needs to be a lot more info than there is at present. Perhaps someone could do some shots in this thread of before and after and videos? I have the before shots if you like at the beginning of the thread, now time for the after, who is up first then?
Gel your not going to be able to tell like that mate, your really not.
You should sit safe in the knowledge - everyone on this forum who has had their sets calibrated see it as a value for money upgrade - none regrets the money spent
If you want before and after pics - look at yours / pics of yours then look at the pics on mine......
Bear in mind the latest pics I took were 2.4 gamma - that's a difficult cal and it seems some calibrators don't do it - However I think its the ultimate picture I have seen so far
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