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Panasonic ZT60 (now ZT65)

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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There's no way you can arrange a side by side demo in the shops with a Kuro, hence the reason for Panasonic to show this. Obviously Kuro customers will want to know the settings. If Panasonic manipulates results a thousand miles away to magnify the difference, they will be scrutinized. If I buy the ZT60, I will expect the advertised difference which won't be there.

 

I know what the reason is, and like I said how stupid are they?  

 

My advice for the Pioneer owners who want to know the settings is get a life!  Smile

 

.....and this is coming from someone who posts youtube videos of his TV. Wink

 

Laughing

 

Just showing off.  Tongue out

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Smile

I will attempt to recreate the settings Panasonic used to see just how different it is to my usual settings. Will post the pics later.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Try with colour +3 - forget what you think +3 colour most probably gives you the flattest gamma, however the red maybe a bit strong as its hot out of the box, just bear that in mind when you look at it Wink

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Ok, here are the results (quite shocking really):

Original settings:

 

Panasonic's settings

 

Picture after colour +3 (Thanks ellisdj, will keep these settings):

 

I have nothing more to say  Smile

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Goes on to show how important it is to check the settings when demoing a TV. The differences can be dramatic. There's no doubt the ZT60 will be the best TV on sale, but they didn't have to resort to these gimmicks.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Looking at Panasonic's comparison shots, it'd be interesting to know how white balance is set up on the Kuro.

I've never owned a Kuro, but I've seen a few in action and I don't think they have a problem reproducing reds. Panasonic presumably carefully selected pictures to foreground the development of its new red phosphor. 

As a non-Kuro owner I'm not a Pioneer fanboy; nor would I describe myself as a Panasonic fanboy. I'm simply a videophile of modest means that wants a TV without distracting flaws. I say all this as I'm trying to remain objective.

For non-Kuro owners that want functionality such as 3D and smart features (let's ignore the whole light pen thing, shall we), the ZT60 will likely be the best television available; though let's wait for reviews and user reports before making such a statement. If you're a Kuro owner considering upgrading, you should probably wait to confirm that issues with previous Panasonic plasma televisions have been ironed out. I certainly wouldn't jump in without knowing the ZT60 is free of serious issues,* however deep its blacks and brilliant its reds.

 

*Actually, I wouldn't jump in at all, as I can't afford to, but hypothetically speaking...

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

bigboss wrote:

Ok, here are the results (quite shocking really):

Original settings:

 

Panasonic's settings

 

Picture after colour +3 (Thanks ellisdj, will keep these settings):

 

I have nothing more to say  Smile

 

That proves nothing!

 

If you want to know how good it is or the settings, go and flipping demo it, and if you need them side by side you are a idiot!

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Would this new ZT60 be a level above or below the £6000 65VX300 Panasonic?  

I remember the Panasonic Z1 was the top of the line model a few years ago, distinct from the rest of the range, and there was a member on here who had a long running dispute that What Hifi got involved with over a warranty claim!

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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That proves nothing!

If you want to know how good it is or the settings, go and flipping demo it, and if you need them side by side you are a idiot!

I'm sorry Gel, but personal attacks are uncalled for, & you're the last person I expected from. I am disappointed by your response.

I don't really care what your views are. I've just proved how vastly different a picture can look by just playing with the settings. 

Just to turn things around; Panasonic's side by side demo with the Kuro really proves nothing. 

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

No one has really disputed that Kuro's performance was exceeded 2 years ago, so I don't know where your "Pioneer fanboy" comment came from. If I am shown 2 TVs with vastly different pictures, I will question the settings, would I not? If I only accepted out of the box settings, to be honest, I wouldn't have been a member of a Hi Fi & home cinema forum!

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Hi BB - your welcome for starters - get the panel calibrated - or DIY it, its really not that hard mate and changes things drastically - its al;so super rewarding to do it yourself and costs about £100 for a metre and £20 for a test disc with the needed patterns on.

You can download one with the high def patterns on for free but I cant  remember where it came from

 

I dont think Gel was having a dig, he is right about needing to demo but your images do show - if you look at the colours - they actually change with Colour -3 - they are different

But look at the depth to the image with colour +3 - thats what having a flat gamme curve gives you - correct colour levels across your scales of gray !!

 

 

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

ellisdj wrote:

Hi BB - your welcome for starters - get the panel calibrated - or DIY it, its really not that hard mate and changes things drastically - its al;so super rewarding to do it yourself and costs about £100 for a metre and £20 for a test disc with the needed patterns on.

You can download one with the high def patterns on for free but I cant  remember where it came from

 

I dont think Gel was having a dig, he is right about needing to demo but your images do show - if you look at the colours - they actually change with Colour -3 - they are different

But look at the depth to the image with colour +3 - thats what having a flat gamme curve gives you - correct colour levels across your scales of gray !!

I've kept the sharpness at 0. If you notice, the last picture with colour +3 has lost some detailing in bottom left of the screen at sharpness -15. I think sharpness of 0 is sharpness "off", & -15 actually softens & alters the picture.

I've used the THX optimiser & am happy with the results. In any case, I'm looking to go the projector route when I change my house next year.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

There is too much technology involved in making a TV, and year on year, we have seen problems associated with panel technology. A projector avoids that, although will have a few problems of its own. 

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

ellisdj wrote:

Hi BB - your welcome for starters - get the panel calibrated - or DIY it, its really not that hard mate and changes things drastically - its al;so super rewarding to do it yourself and costs about £100 for a metre and £20 for a test disc with the needed patterns on.

You can download one with the high def patterns on for free but I cant  remember where it came from

 

I dont think Gel was having a dig, he is right about needing to demo but your images do show - if you look at the colours - they actually change with Colour -3 - they are different

But look at the depth to the image with colour +3 - thats what having a flat gamme curve gives you - correct colour levels across your scales of gray !!

 

 

 

No I was not having a dig but you are always right as normal BB!  Whatever.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

bigboss wrote:

gel wrote:

That proves nothing!

If you want to know how good it is or the settings, go and flipping demo it, and if you need them side by side you are a idiot!

I'm sorry Gel, but personal attacks are uncalled for, & you're the last person I expected from. I am disappointed by your response.

I don't really care what your views are. I've just proved how vastly different a picture can look by just playing with the settings. 

Just to turn things around; Panasonic's side by side demo with the Kuro really proves nothing. 

 

I was not having a dig, and I could not careless if you are don't care about my views anyway.  You are always right, everybody else always wrong!  I won' t express my view to you any more!  Like you said you could not care less anyway, sums you up!

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