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These are apparent,y settings used

https://mobile.twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/301336029502242817/photo/1

 

colour -3 why oh why would they do that ??

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These are apparent,y settings used

https://mobile.twitter.com/HDTVTest/status/301336029502242817/photo/1

 

colour -3 why oh why would they do that ??

So that reds looks orange! excellent!

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And sharpness of -15........Hmmmmm puzzled

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Sharpness -15 or off is correct BB try it !! Movement is much better and sharpness not needed

contrast 35 is about right as well as is brightness on 0 but reducing the colour likely throws the gamma way off.

my 5090 needs colour +3 to get a flat gamma which is exactly the same as the set in the HD TV test about 18months before I got my one. So I guess they are all the same. So -3 you can imagine

Both calibrated it would be interesting to see side by side  - never gonna get that luxury though ..... Unless WHF wanna do it - I am happy to come in and help if you want 

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I can't remember what's my sharpness setting; it's either 0 or off. Will check when I get home.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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If you read a few of the posts under the HD TV site news on the ZT they feel the 600a display didn't look right and its commented that it also was showing red tints in the black I.e a TV not performing optimally at all.  Therefore not a fair test really but the photos are interesting.

The ZT should be much better but is it going to be £4k better only the buyer knows that answer - £3k would have got me very interested £4k seems very steep. 

Panasonic are being a bit crafty by making the ZT limited edition to try and get people to buy it straight away @ it's top dollar price - fair play to them however we all know within 3-6 months all new av tech price plummets as competition gets stiffer. Will be interesting to see what happens to the price / sales over the year and how easy it is to go and demo.

To Gel reading reviews on the new Panny plasmas over the years against the Kuro 5090 I am sure the luminance of all the pannys is nowhere near that of the Kuro so I wonder how you have yours setup - I.e what contrast you are running so that the 5090 is not as bright? Luminance / brightness is one of the main criticism of the vt50 I am sure that's what I read

 

just looked at the pocket lint images - that looks like the difference between calibrated on the right , non calibrated on the left with the brightness up too much - similar to what others have posted lol 

 

That is true past Panasonic TVs were not bright and I personally had a go at them over this, but this year they have more than corrected this.   I hear what you are saying about the brightness on the VT50 and this is one of the reasons I bought the GT50, I can only say nothing wrong with the brightness on the GT50, most people turn it down!

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The ST is suppose to be brighter than the VT too.

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just looked at the pocket lint images - that looks like the difference between calibrated on the right , non calibrated on the left with the brightness up too much - similar to what others have posted lol 

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What the Pioneer fanboys are saying.  Smile  Like I said I think it is redundant to be comparing the two because anyone in the know, would know it is better.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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just looked at the pocket lint images - that looks like the difference between calibrated on the right , non calibrated on the left with the brightness up too much - similar to what others have posted lol 

 

What the Pioneer fanboys are saying.  Smile  Like I said I think it is redundant to be comparing the two because anyone in the know, would know it is better.

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But that's not the point at all. No one can buy a Kuro now. The "Pioneer fanboys" you're describing are in fact Panasonic's customers today.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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gel wrote:

 

 

just looked at the pocket lint images - that looks like the difference between calibrated on the right , non calibrated on the left with the brightness up too much - similar to what others have posted lol 

 

What the Pioneer fanboys are saying.  Smile  Like I said I think it is redundant to be comparing the two because anyone in the know, would know it is better.

But that's not the point at all. No one can buy a Kuro now. The "Pioneer fanboys" you're describing are in fact Panasonic's customers today.[/quote]

 

You don't think anyone with a Pioneer TV for three years would not be able to tell the difference without them being side by side?  They are going to have to be pretty flipping stupid!  Smile

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There's no way you can arrange a side by side demo in the shops with a Kuro, hence the reason for Panasonic to show this. Obviously Kuro customers will want to know the settings. If Panasonic manipulates results a thousand miles away to magnify the difference, they will be scrutinized. If I buy the ZT60, I will expect the advertised difference which won't be there.

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Light output or luminance is controlled via the contrast not the brightness - if you lower the brightness because you think the image is too bright then you are actually reducing the black level and most likely crushing the blacks.

I did mention this to you before - I am sure it was you who posted images and videos of your TV and I said the blacks look crushed to me. 

 

The GT50 has a max luminance of 90 cd/m22 and the LX5090 has a max luminance of 136cd/m/2 so I honestly cant see it being brighter image as its nearly half the output again

However its the gamma that sets the overall brightness of the image across the grey scale spectrum and if thats off then the image may appear brighter when actually its not.  A Gamma of 2.2 is often recommended for a room with some light, however if you run the gamma at 2.0 the image will be brighter but also washed out by comparison.  Its not a case of changing  the brighness to adjust the overall light output.

I feel you may have never seen the best from your LX5090 so your Panny appears better because of that - closer to calibrated out of the box on THX Cinema than the Kuros were - they need calibrating (few minor adjustments)

Its also not about being a fan boy - its about is it worth buying - is it going to be that much better.  I dont see why Panasonic would mess the settings up to do a side by side test at a show - that just seems silly to me.  However I do know that the LX or KRA needs to be calibrated otherwise it doesnt look anything like its best - out of the box is good, but not great.  And you can get a very good calibration out of it - fantastic grey scale, near flat gamma at 2.2 with a perfect luminance that tracks the output curve - but not with colour -3, not on my set

 

In terms of knowing from a demo - i think I could pretty much tell with a 1 hours demo and a few blu ray films whether its better and worth the £4k investment, it wouldnt need to be side by side - but I mentioned it as it would be very interesting to do and review / report back on.  I think it would be a very big seller in terms of mags

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There's no way you can arrange a side by side demo in the shops with a Kuro, hence the reason for Panasonic to show this. Obviously Kuro customers will want to know the settings. If Panasonic manipulates results a thousand miles away to magnify the difference, they will be scrutinized. If I buy the ZT60, I will expect the advertised difference which won't be there.

 

I know what the reason is, and like I said how stupid are they?  

 

My advice for the Pioneer owners who want to know the settings is get a life!  Smile

 

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To Gel

Light output or luminance is controlled via the contrast not the brightness - if you lower the brightness because you think the image is too bright then you are actually reducing the black level and most likely crushing the blacks.

I did mention this to you before - I am sure it was you who posted images and videos of your TV and I said the blacks look crushed to me. 

 

The GT50 has a max luminance of 90 cd/m22 and the LX5090 has a max luminance of 136cd/m/2 so I honestly cant see it being brighter image as its nearly half the output again

However its the gamma that sets the overall brightness of the image across the grey scale spectrum and if thats off then the image may appear brighter when actually its not.  A Gamma of 2.2 is often recommended for a room with some light, however if you run the gamma at 2.0 the image will be brighter but also washed out by comparison.  Its not a case of changing  the brighness to adjust the overall light output.

I feel you may have never seen the best from your LX5090 so your Panny appears better because of that - closer to calibrated out of the box on THX Cinema than the Kuros were - they need calibrating (few minor adjustments)

Its also not about being a fan boy - its about is it worth buying - is it going to be that much better.  I dont see why Panasonic would mess the settings up to do a side by side test at a show - that just seems silly to me.  However I do know that the LX or KRA needs to be calibrated otherwise it doesnt look anything like its best - out of the box is good, but not great.  And you can get a very good calibration out of it - fantastic grey scale, near flat gamma at 2.2 with a perfect luminance that tracks the output curve - but not with colour -3, not on my set

 

In terms of knowing from a demo - i think I could pretty much tell with a 1 hours demo and a few blu ray films whether its better and worth the £4k investment, it wouldnt need to be side by side - but I mentioned it as it would be very interesting to do and review / report back on.  I think it would be a very big seller in terms of mags

 

That is fair enough and what I did.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

gel wrote:

bigboss wrote:
There's no way you can arrange a side by side demo in the shops with a Kuro, hence the reason for Panasonic to show this. Obviously Kuro customers will want to know the settings. If Panasonic manipulates results a thousand miles away to magnify the difference, they will be scrutinized. If I buy the ZT60, I will expect the advertised difference which won't be there.

 

I know what the reason is, and like I said how stupid are they?  

 

My advice for the Pioneer owners who want to know the settings is get a life!  Smile

 

.....and this is coming from someone who posts youtube videos of his TV. Wink

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