That video was a mixture of different tv broadcasts?
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This is a very interesting video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrPeMPgHV6g
Obviously shows nothing but there looks to me to be nothing between the 2. in this demo
If both were calibrated would be near identical
Pioneer looks more yellowy, less white whites.
Thats the setup / video - Pioneer does perfect white 0DE when setup properly,
There is not a lot in it at all, maybe more in real life. The image does look more colourful on the Pannys - the colours look stronger, the Kuro has a softer image especially in the colours.
Now I had to boost colour +6 to calibrate it in to get the colours as they are - any more or less threw the near perfect white off and then worsened the rest. I wonder how many owners know roughly this much colour boost is necessary
In your situation, I guess it's a question of whether those extra 10" and any subtle improvement in performance are worth £3,500.
For anyone interested, my VT65 is going strong and, beyond extreme nitpicking, hasn't put a foot wrong. The improvement in native contrast really pays off. Images look extremely dynamic, with great depth, yet natural and comfortable to watch.
There are very occasional, minor glitches with 50Hz motion (and I mean very occasional), but that's my only criticism. The "Minimum" IFC setting smooths these issues out without nasty side effects. Every once in a while there's a mild soap opera effect. It's down to individual preference whether you prefer IFC at "Min" or "Off." (IFC should always be set to off with 60Hz and 24p content.) Overall, motion is better than last year's models.
I recall BBB stating that he loved his Kuro and merely liked his GT50. I'm gradually becoming besotted with the VT65, which is looking better with every day that passes. Lovely TV!
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Yep, I did love my Kuro, and so did my wife.
She asked me if we could buy a second hand one to replace the GT50, which is when I told her of my plan to replace it with the VT65.
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What was her response?
Well, not really that positive.
There are other things we need more, like a new sofa, and a new bed.
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Audition first; don't take my word for it! Seven hundred pounds is a fair outlay over the GT50 price. You want to be sure the VT65 is worth the extra.
As I noted last week, my requirements are subtly different from yours. The twin tuner and PVR functionality are particularly important to me. I like the fact that you can timer record (if the TV is on standby), meaning I have the equivalent of a 1TB dual-tuner PVR. (There's no series link, but otherwise it's all I need.) For me, the dual tuner helped justify the extra over the GT60, since an equivalent PVR would have cost a couple of hundred and taken up valuable space in my cluttered AV cabinet.
So Strapped, are you thinking that the GT60 would be good enough for me?
It's true that the the twin tuner and PVR functionality aren't essential for me, and if I do get rid of Sky, I have a good Echostar PVR in the bedroom I can use.
To be honest, I just want the best picture I can afford, and the VT looks like it edges the GT just. From what I can see from the reviews, the blacks are ever so slightly better than the GT's, and the reflective filter is slightly better too. The other difference that might make it worth buying for me, is the design, the VT definitely looks better than the GT.
So are those 3 points worth an extra £400-£500? I guess I'll just have to think about it. Plus, this is all dependent on JL saying they will exchange my GT of course.
Whle watching football yesterday, I genuinely could barely see the vertical banding, even when looking for it. So another option is to stick with the GT50 until the price of the GT60 and VT65 come down, then sell the GT50, and buy one of the other two.
Let's see whay JL have to say.
I think the design might sway quite a few people to go for the VT. My Kuro is looking seriously dated in terms of design, and now that Panasonic have sorted out the all too common problems we saw with the 50 series models I think it's time for an upgrade. I will hold fire until the TPS event in Walsall though...
I'm seriously tempted to go for one, too.
Where are you buying it from, if you don't mind me asking?
Have ordered from Mark's Electricals in Leicester, £3,499 with free delivery and 5 year warrantee.
Not used them before though so fingers crossed they're ok (they get very good reviews on 'TrustPilot'), but will let everyone how it goes and whether any issues arise.
Most importantly, I broke the news to the mrs last night and, on balance, I'd say she took it rather well!
So that's the primary hurdle overcome, provided Marks don't let me down there should be a shiny new ZT here in a few weeks.
Apologies for not replying sooner...
That's a good price you got there. Any idea on a delivery date yet?
I wouldn't say the GT60 is "good enough for you." (That could sound insulting, which isn't my intention!) Rather, it's a question of which TV is most appropriate for your needs and budget.
Black levels are so close between GT60 and VT65 that it's not worth splitting hairs. The filter does a better job of holding on to those black levels under bright lighting or during the day; but if most of your viewing is in a batcave, this becomes less of a factor.
The VT65 is prettier than the GT60. I'm also genuinely surprised by the VT65's sound quality, which would give many a budget soundbar a run for its money, if not a dedicated multichannel system. Whether these small advantages justify the difference in cost depends largely on the individual, which is of course why auditioning is important.
Are your GT50's vertical bands fading over time? If so, that's encouraging. I've read conflicting reports. Some owners say the bands disappeared eventually; others that the bands became more prominent. I didn't have the TV long enough to find out. I also didn't want to take the risk.
I'll be interested to know whether JL agree to an exchange. They may take the decision out of your hands. (I hope not. I think you're on relatively safe ground having bought from this retailer.)
Can someone confirm if the vt60 (or gt60 or ZT) can play mkv files with the build in mediaplayer at 24p? I read somewhere the internal mediaplayer plays 24p movies at 60hz, something an external bluray player won't.
The VT65 certainly plays MKV files; though I honestly don't know whether the media player supports 24p. I'm guessing some kind of conversion would take place. (Probably 3:2 pulldown at 60Hz, since Panasonic TVs are optimised for the US market.) I'd check for you, but I'm afraid I don't have any such content.
When I said "Good enough for me", I did mean, good enough for my needs, so if you'd have said that it was good enough, I would have taken it as the best tv for my needs.
Phew! That was a long sentence, but hopefully it made sense.
I'm not sure if the banding is fading, it could just be that when the sun is shining at the game, it's less visible. Just watched the derby game, and I really didn't notice anything untoward..
When I was in JL the other week (advising people to not buy the GT50 ), the JL guy did say that the banding problem could be resolved with the voltage setting in thetv being reduced. I actually had someone out to do this with my first plasma, a Samsung, but the problem was nothing like the banding, more bright, sparkling pixels in patches.
I think the banding is caused by either the panel itself or the way the panel is installed. Mine went off for repair and I didn't have the vertical lines, they replaced the panel and it did! That's the only repair they made
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