IF you deep black lovers really want to excel, consider getting an electrician to install a dedicated mains spur for your equipment. A filtered power block with isolation e.g.a Belkin PureAV Isolator can also help with sharpness and black levels.
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Prices for the new range - quite interesting.
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Why are they calling it the VT65B?
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I'm willing to part with another £400 for a GT60, if John Lewis will let me return the GT50 and the GT60 isn't plagued by uniformity problems.
Think I need to have a chat tomorrow. Might also be worth asking if they'll be stocking ST models this year.
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Problem is, you won't know if they have problems until you start watching at home. None of the reviews seem to mention the dse on the GT50, so it's unlikely they will on the new models.
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I agree. Even HDTV Test's David Mackenzie argues that they receive "golden samples" to review. He bought an ST50, which had far more prominent DSE than the 2012 Panasonic plasma TVs they reviewed.
I have a plan, however. If I take along a USB stick with grey slides, I'll be able to check for uneven application of the AR filter by displaying the slides and turning the contrast down. If the GT60 has the same uniformity issues as the GT50, this will show them up clearly. If the GT60 is no better, I won't buy it.
It's not a foolproof plan, but it's the best I can come up with.
HDTV Test's ST50 and GT50 reviews mention DSE, but describe it as a minor problem that's barely worth mentioning (and clearly less of an issue on the review samples than on large numbers of TVs actually sold). Based on what I've read, they'll be keeping a very close eye on this with 2013 plasmas.
I read their reviews, always informative, but I tend to scan through, so missed any mention of DSE.
Sounds like a plan with the grey slides, now all you have to do is ring JL and start the ball rolling.
I'm determined to get to the stage when I don't have to worry too much about IR, then I'll get the settings back to how I want them, with the contrast and brightness up to where they should be.
Hopefully then, I'll be a little more satisfied than I currently am.
I should probably be thankful that I haven't had an issue with IR. I also hope any problems you and others have in this regard will become non issues as the TV ages. I can't see the dirty screen effect lessening over time. That's the deal breaker for me.
The dirty screen effect negates two of the key advantages we look for when buying a plasma television, namely screen uniformity and superior motion handling. I'd take LED/LCD motion blur over the right side of the screen breaking up into lighter and darker stripes every time the camera pans on shots of the sky, grass, water, or any pastel colour. To be honest, I'm quite annoyed about this now and I'm keen to find out what John Lewis can do to help resolve the problem.
I'd also love to know how the two GT50s I've owned compare with others out there. At least then I could determine if I'm being fussier than most or if I got two duffers in rapid succession.
This is actually quite a serious point, to which all the magazines and online reviews should pay more attention. I would want reviews to be conducted on equipment (all equipment, not just TVs) that was representative of what the ordinary punter might buy, rather than on equipment which had been specially selected or tweaked prior to review.
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This slightly counters my immediately previous posting, but if you go to gel's link and click on "Plasma TV" rather than on "2013 Plasma" the prices of the outgoing ST50 and VT50 models are pretty reasonable! If I had the spare cash, I would be thinking very seriously of getting last year's model at a bargain price, rather than paying the 30-40% extra that the replacement 2013 models will cost. Don't know what I would do though if my 2012 Panasonic model turned out to have the dirty screen effect ....
To me, your last sentence is crucial for two reasons.
1. In my view the dirty screen effect is a more serious problem on 2012 Panasonic plasma TVs than many acknowledge. I was watching the Liverpool game earlier and, throughout the majority of the match, the right hand side of the screen broke up into lighter and darker lines of colour gradation (almost like tiger stripes in pattern). I don't think the effect is subtle on such content.
2. I think a far greater proportion of sets (ST, GT, and VT) is affected than people realise. I've been through a couple and the effect has been identical on both. Others on this thread have same issue, describe feeling underwhelmed, and actually regret selling their old TV. Many on other forums have been through multiple sets only to see each replacement affected.
As a GT50 owner, I'd advise people to think very carefully before buying now. At the very least, be sure you can get a refund without protest and/or swap the TV for a 2013 model if you're not satisfied.
I do wonder if the newer batches were a lot better than the older ones? The ones sent out for reviews would have been the new batches, all three I had definitely did not have that!
Two thirds of contributors to a Hi-Def Junkies poll report that their 2012 Panasonic plasma has problems with vertical banding, while half the contributors to an AVS Forums poll report the same. I appreciate that owners with issues are more likely to participate, but it seems a large proportion of 2012 Pana plasmas are affected.
I highlight this because I understand that buying a 2012 Panasonic plasma TV might seem an appealing proposition right now, but shoppers should go into this with their eyes open and accept that there's a good chance they'll have the same problem. At least potential buyers can make an informed decision this way.
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