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strapped for cash wrote:

Consider this a blessing in disguise.

You've got a TV you love. Enjoy it! Any money put aside for another upgrade could be saved or spent elsewhere. Maybe on a holiday, or an Oppo 103...  excellent!

 

Holiday for sure.  Laughing  Plasma might as well be dead then!  If they can't do them in 50 inches any longer - ah!

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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Holiday for sure.  Laughing  Plasma might as well be dead then!  If they can't do them in 50 inches any longer - ah!

excellent!

Somehow, I didn't think you'd be going for the Oppo...

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I am very interested in one of these - depending on reviews and price and how it compares to my exisiting Kuro - in essence it shoud be the perfect 1080p display Panasonic have had 4 - 5 years past the Kuro now to bring out the perfect plasma

Pretty much every review I have read of Pioneer plasmas they have been excellent but they have never seemed to get it perfect / flawless, floating blacks, light output issues, other oddities - I dont remember reading 1 HDTV Test review where the display gets a reference status.

People say the Kuros dont give out the most detail - however I think to get the best from them they obviously have to be calibrated and I wonder how many people have seen a calibrated set before making that staement.  The other thing is they need the quality source which I think Blurays are only just getting good enough to see the panels full capabilities all these years on from its manufacture.

I hope the ZT is just a panel with nothing else in - not tuners, smart rubbish etc, dont even want sound - just a pure perfect picture, with perfect movement that calibrates to reference perfection

 

 

 

 

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Panasonic should start by enabling full calibration on optimum picture presets with its high end models.

Panasonic's "beyond reference" claims and the links posted in this thread indicate that the Kuro has been unquestionably dethroned in terms of black level. If the ZT60 allows reference greyscale tracking and colour reproduction, as well as perfect screen uniformity, it should be a phenomenal TV.

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The ZT60 will have a screen with input for a pen. Yes you can write on it with a special pen. And the ZT60 will allow for a wider color gamut which isn't being used by bluray's. How useless, and somehow I think this model will have a much steeper price than the already expensive VT series... The last Z model had a wireless tunerbox to send pictures wireless to the screen and was alot more expensive than the V series... I hope the VT60 will have similar picture qualities compared to the ZT60 but without the fancy pen input and wider colorgamut, but probably not

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strapped for cash wrote:

Panasonic should start by enabling full calibration on optimum picture presets with its high end models.

Panasonic's "beyond reference" claims and the links posted in this thread indicate that the Kuro has been unquestionably dethroned in terms of black level. If the ZT60 allows reference greyscale tracking and colour reproduction, as well as perfect screen uniformity, it should be a phenomenal TV.

 

Agreed.  This will definitely be the next step on from the Kuro.

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I suppose if this did not weigh more than 30kg it might be possible

 

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P55VT60

 

Probably going to wait and see what they now announce for next year now, before possibly buying a back up.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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The ZT60 will have a screen with input for a pen. Yes you can write on it with a special pen. And the ZT60 will allow for a wider color gamut which isn't being used by bluray's. How useless, and somehow I think this model will have a much steeper price than the already expensive VT series... The last Z model had a wireless tunerbox to send pictures wireless to the screen and was alot more expensive than the V series... I hope the VT60 will have similar picture qualities compared to the ZT60 but without the fancy pen input and wider colorgamut, but probably not

I agree that the ZT60 has some useless, gimmick features that may excite a few gullible consumers. However, that doesn't negate any improvements in picture performance the TV may offer. Look past the light pen and focus instead on potentially Kuro-trouncing black levels and dynamic contrast. 

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

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I suppose if this did not weigh more than 30kg it might be possible

 

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P55VT60

 

Probably going to wait and see what they now announce for next year now, before possibly buying a back up.

I'm not sure this will represent a dramatic improvement over your GT50. It'll likely cost more than £2,500, too. Is there a specific reason you're looking for another TV so soon after your last upgrade?

As someone that has owned three different TVs in the last four-and-a-half years (sounds scary when I put it like that), I can understand the temptation. However, I'll be doing no more TV buying for at least another four years, at which point OLED technology will hopefully have matured and dropped markedly in price.

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Hello gel,

I agree with strapped for cash's comments in the post immediately above this one. Your Panasonic 50GT50 is a very fine machine, with black levels that I'm sure are better than those of my Pioneer LX5090 and of course, many modern features appropriate to a (almost, except for the VT50) leading 2012 television. No matter how much improvement in meaningful performance (as opposed to gimmicks) the VT60 and ZT60 series might offer, I would be quite surprised if a (fantasy) 50" version of them would be worth the upgrade over your already excellent 50GT50. For instance, the Oppo 105 Blu-Ray player has just been released, to thunderous acclaim. I can't afford it, but even if I could I would feel no need to buy it to replace my existing Oppo 95, with which I am quite happy.

By the way, why can't you buy a 60" television? Lack of space, lack of money, or Mrs gel?

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gel wrote:

I suppose if this did not weigh more than 30kg it might be possible

 

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P55VT60

 

Probably going to wait and see what they now announce for next year now, before possibly buying a back up.

I'm not sure this will represent a dramatic improvement over your GT50. It'll likely cost more than £2,500, too. Is there a specific reason you're looking for another TV so soon after your last upgrade?

As someone that has owned three different TVs in the last four-and-a-half years (sounds scary when I put it like that), I can understand the temptation. However, I'll be doing no more TV buying for at least another four years, at which point OLED technology will hopefully have matured and dropped markedly in price.

 

Oops, missed your post earlier.  Smile  I am not sure it would be a sufficient upgrade either thinking about it.  Just how much I love my GT50 the thought of going another step on is really tempting.  To be honest the GT50 feels like a bit of a clone of the 5090 Pioneer TV I had, so the quality I have seen for several years now, although I do think it is slightly better on Blu-ray.  For me this will definitely be the best TV ever, and I love everything about my GT50, so the thought of it being even better is wow!

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Son_of_SJ wrote:

Hello gel,

I agree with strapped for cash's comments in the post immediately above this one. Your Panasonic 50GT50 is a very fine machine, with black levels that I'm sure are better than those of my Pioneer LX5090 and of course, many modern features appropriate to a (almost, except for the VT50) leading 2012 television. No matter how much improvement in meaningful performance (as opposed to gimmicks) the VT60 and ZT60 series might offer, I would be quite surprised if a (fantasy) 50" version of them would be worth the upgrade over your already excellent 50GT50. For instance, the Oppo 105 Blu-Ray player has just been released, to thunderous acclaim. I can't afford it, but even if I could I would feel no need to buy it to replace my existing Oppo 95, with which I am quite happy.

By the way, why can't you buy a 60" television? Lack of space, lack of money, or Mrs gel?

 

Yep, I think you guys are right.  The 60 inch will be too big for my AV stand, when I bought I intended only getting a 42 inch TV but they have since got a lot slimmer and lighter making it possible to go up to 50 inches.  I don't think I could afford it either, but say in about a years time, there was a 50 inch ZT50 knocking around for around £1500 I would be tempted, especially if Panasonic did pull out of making plasmas.

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Seems like there's only going to be a 60in in UK/Europe. Mentioned in passing at the Panasonic European launch. Will confirm later today. 

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Thanks Joe, that'd be good to know!

If/when you get a ZT60 in for review, can the team pay close attention to screen uniformity? A grey slide with the TV's contrast turned right down clearly reveals uniformity problems with 2012 Panasonic plasmas, which at times intrude on actual viewing.

If you're likely to speak to a Panasonic rep, I'd be fascinated to hear their response to reports of uniformity problems with ST/GT/VT50 plasmas... Is the dirty screen effect officially "within specification?"

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RE: Panasonic ZT60

Joe Cox wrote:

Seems like there's only going to be a 60in in UK/Europe. Mentioned in passing at the Panasonic European launch. Will confirm later today. 

 

Pretty sure I read in this months mag something about a possible GT60?  Is the VT60 going to be 55 inches and above too? 

 

 

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