I couldn't have been more careful with mine, but the Sky Sports logo is still there in the top right corner, faint, but present.
My point is, why should plasma owners have to avoid certain channels? My old kuro never had any trouble, so why do the Panasonics 5 years later?
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They cost less, you have to cut corners somewhere. Not good you have image retention! I had to avoid the news channels on my GT50 because I got image retention, I then avoided them and it disappeared. I suppose they might all behave differently though.
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The same can be said of gaming on a Panasonic plasma...gaming = LCD/LED or a Kuro.
I not only got issues with channel logos but logos in games too and the more you watched a particular channel such as Sky News or Sky Sports the worse it got and the same was true of games (more so in fact) as HUDs and logos were a real problem with image retention and took weeks to shift.
Having to tailor the content you watched and not buy games with stong HUDs or logos just seemed ridiculous to me, in effect the TV isn't fit for my purpose...if I can't play certain games or watch certain channels then something is wrong with the TV no? It was a major consideration when I replaced my GT30 and why I never bought a GT50 and this year despite the rave reviews of the VT65 I just couldn't go through all that again and know that for me LED was definately the way to go as I wanted this TV to last 5 years minimum.
There is no doubt that the latest Panasonic plasmas are capable of fabulous pictures but the limitations in the real world were too much for me, having to filter the content you watch was a step too far for me but in the right situation they are brilliant. If like me you are going to game on it, watch a variety of TV channels and content with logos then I would seriously think carefully before buying one especially as Panasonic now don't cover any form of image retention or burn in the warranty.
I still love the pictures they are capable of and know on pure picture performance they are better than my 55F8000 but the difference is I can live with the limitations of my TV as I don't get any image retention, can game for hours without then needing to perform screen maintenence for days and can watch whatever channels I like for as long as I want. I have also had nowhere near the amount of issues and replacement TVs since I went over to LED and for me that's the major difference but I remain envious of anyone with a high end plasma TV.
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Thanks guys, you've all made some interesting points
To clarify, my 46GT30 was 11 months old when I realised that I could see the menu had burnt its way onto the PDP when watching dark scenes.
I contacted JL, and they arranged a local agent to collect the TV and organise repairs. At that time there appears to have been a supply issue with the 46" PDP, as after 4 weeks JL contacted me and said they were going to refund me as I had waited too long for this one to be repaired.
After some negotiations, they agreed to sell me the 50GT50 (no 46" in 2012 range, so no direct replacement) and I agreed to pay an additional £100
I've been really happy with the GT50, and if it can be repaired then I'll be happy, and I guess we will have to limit the childrens viewing of Cartoon Network!
The other 'problems' with this TV are it's inability to handle scenes involving lots of black (I get pixelated grey) and the phospor type trails on certain end credits (most notably East Enders!)
If there ends up being an issue with repairing this one, then I guess I'll have to look at other options as to be honest I don't really want to spend any more money on a TV, as nice as the VT65 may be!
In the meantime, I am awaiting JL to get back to me
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i can't think of a better reason not to watch East Enders than that
but on a serious note, I hope you get the issue resolved. If that's the only problem with your gt50 ask them to check the voltage settings, as I said before that fixed the image retention issue on my first one.
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I couldn't agree more... my wife however...!!
Will do, JL have emailed me today asking me to let them know when their 'engineer' can visit to look at the TV
As I said, I'd love to get this one sorted, as spending more money on the 'goggle box' isn't a route I really want to go down!
It's times like these that I fondly remember my Panasonic TX 36PB50 (pretty sure that was the model)... a 'massive' 36" CRT with Dolby Digital decoder built in, and to be honest the picture was about as close to perfect as you could get! Bought in 2001/2 for a whopping £2500 (OMG!) and to the best of my knowledge still going strong today! (I sold it 5 years ago to a friend)
Not sure how I'd hang a 36" CRT that weighed 100kg (it took 2 / 3 people to lift it) on my wall though!!
One going here for thirty quid!
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That's the one!
Question, how do you hang it on the wall though?
Or do you build a wall around it??!!
JL's agent is coming to see the TV tomorrow, which I guess really means they will want to take it away, and leave me with a vintage 40" LCD loan set!
I'll update when I know more
My first gt50 had image retention as the voltage setting was to high on the tv, once this was amended it worked without any image retention.
try normal mode but reduce the brightness and contrast. Normal mode has pixel orbiter also which reduces image retention but doesn't prevent it.
sorry to hear you have problems with yet another panasonic product,
TV engineer duly arrived this morning, he remembered me from last time!
Showed him the issues, mentioned the above and his words were "thats an old wifes tale"
He agreed what I said, and even noticed that the panel is struggling to cope with even basic motion (it appears to wobble..)
On the subject of IR, he says that JL won't cover it on their part of the warranty (TV is 13 months old) but thats the least of my worries, as I'm guessing a new PDP will be the way forward.
I'll see what the coming days bring....
oh, and no loan TV.... just a lonely bracket hanging on my wall.....
Are you saying he has taken your TV and you don't know what is happening?
id agree, they didn't give you a replacement set at all?
In essence, all I know is that JL's agent has taken the TV away (and my WD HD which is used to record, as it has examples of the 'line bleed' from end titles from Freeview and Freesat transmissions)
He stated that JL won't entertain a claim for IR, and that ALL TV's has issues with displaying large areas of black...
It's gone to a workshop 60 miles away, and I must await their call
I've emailed JL this morning and asked them for their input regarding their agent taking my HD and not leaving a loan set
Not ideal I know, but for now I will sit tight and see what the agent suggests is wrong in the next few days
A bit of a difficult situation, I think you are doing all the right things though. Image retention is different from screen burn though, you might be able to get rid of image retention, screen burn you can't. You have to be careful with Panasonic plasmas with the settings though because if you switch from the normal settings I think it turns the pixel orbitor off which helps prevent image retention. In the manual it states there is a tool in the menu system that helps get rid of image retention.
I reckon they they will order you a new screen and replace it while it is with them that is what they would have done with me given the chance. I would have settled for that too I think my GT50 was really good it was only the fact they offered a replacement in the many negotiations I didn't settle for anything else. Keep us updated.
JL came back to me via email and said that I should have requested a loan TV...
Can't quite work that one out, but I'll live without it for now (loads of hassle wall mounting a loan TV to be honest!)
For now we will make do with the Panasonic TXP42G10 in the kitchen, which in stark contrast to the GT50 has been completely fault free for 4 years and I think has a better picture!
JL have also said that once they know what is wrong they will either authorise repairs, or replace it like for like... (this could prove interesting with them not stocking the GT60!)
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