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RE: buy another plasma....or wait??

If your replacing a Pioneer Kuro why are people suggesting GT's? Surely you be looking at the VT if not the ZT? 

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Fingers crossed that nothing goes wrong again, but other than Panasonic, at this price range, who else makes top Plasma TV's worth having? 

Samsung. The PS51F8500 and PS64F8500 are excellent, though also not perfect. If you're willing to look at a lower range Samsung plasma, the F5500 plasma range is also highly regarded.

LG continue to make great value-for-money plasmas, as long as you can live with indifferent black levels. My calibrated LG 60PZ950T probably has the best picture of all my four televisions, as long as the picture is fairly bright.

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If your replacing a Pioneer Kuro why are people suggesting GT's? Surely you be looking at the VT if not the ZT? 

That partly depends on whether the Kuro is an eighth-generation or ninth, and final and best, generation machine. Plus, we don't know how big this Kuro is.

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I like the picture on my Panasonic and think it's a great TV, but... the run around that the Panasonic repair center gave me was beyond words and unfortunately they were also the same center that deals with Sony and Samsung too! Either way, the customer service was a joke and the time wait for new parts was 6 months shipped from Japan, of which they kept my TV for over 5 months even though they did not need to as it was just a case replacement for the back, which the delivery company damaged after a transformer replacement! The unreasonable costs that they wanted to charge me were another issue. At the end I was happy to have my TV back after sharp correspondence right before Christmas and I missed the whole summer Olympics, of which Panasonic were major sponsers! Disaster from start to finish! And this was a TV within its two year warranty period!!! 

Fingers crossed that nothing goes wrong again, but other than Panasonic, at this price range, who else makes top Plasma TV's worth having? 

Roll on 4K OLED!! 

Really? As potential TV buyers, our problems are not going away.

1.  I've not yet seen a TV that can get close to the natural colour balance, 'texture' and movement of a plasma (apart from my old 32" Sony CRT, but that weighed 70kg!!)

2.  Although my plasma has been fault-free, I wouldn't purchase another one (for all of the above stated reasons)

3.  OLED apparently has screen-burn problems too.

4.  4K - Do you think that making a picture have more pixels (therefore needing more computing power to control the image) will make screen blur, patchy backlighting and motion problems go away?  If anything, certainly the motion problems might be MORE difficult to handle on a 4k screen (in theory anyway).

I'm chuffed to bits with the picture of my plasma, but if it blows up or I want a bigger screen in a few years time, I'm going to struggle to find anything regardless of price that I'll be as happy with.  Many LED's make my eyes go funny - it's just something about the texture of the picture that gives me a headache.

So it seems we're left between a rock and a hard place; reliability and iffy picture quality, or iffy reliability and good picture quality.

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I modern TV may have higher definition but later generation CRT's still have fantastic picture quality.

I regularly watch TV on 32” Toshiba standard definition CRT TV's and various makes & sizes of LCD TV's.

The Toshiba's still look good even though they are nearly 10 years old compared to the various LCD's.

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just to get things back on track, the screen size has got to be a 42 due to space limitations. I agree that the vt series would be the natural choice for the peplacement of my kuro but thats just not possible. so back to the original question.. If I decide to wait for my six year old Plasma to "die" and Panasonic plasmas are no longer available, then would whats on offer instead of plasma ( LED,4K,OLED) be a bacward step in terms of PQ as regards to what I have now or indeed what I could have if I bought a Panny Plasma before they all no longer available

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just to get things back on track, the screen size has got to be a 42 due to space limitations. I agree that the vt series would be the natural choice for the peplacement of my kuro but thats just not possible. so back to the original question.. If I decide to wait for my six year old Plasma to "die" and Panasonic plasmas are no longer available, then would whats on offer instead of plasma ( LED,4K,OLED) be a bacward step in terms of PQ as regards to what I have now or indeed what I could have if I bought a Panny Plasma before they all no longer available

 

The Panasonic 42GT60 would be the one then.  My Dad has the Pioneer 427xd and the performance on the Panasonic I think is better. I would get from somewhere like Richer Sounds.  At 42 inches in the future you will be limited.

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Here it is:

 

http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/panasonic/viera-txp42gt60b/pana-txp42gt60b

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Make sure you price match:

 

http://www.totaldigital.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43_51&products_id=4855

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murg wrote:

just to get things back on track, the screen size has got to be a 42 due to space limitations. I agree that the vt series would be the natural choice for the peplacement of my kuro but thats just not possible. so back to the original question.. If I decide to wait for my six year old Plasma to "die" and Panasonic plasmas are no longer available, then would whats on offer instead of plasma ( LED,4K,OLED) be a bacward step in terms of PQ as regards to what I have now or indeed what I could have if I bought a Panny Plasma before they all no longer available

It's an individual perception. Oldboy is perfectly happy moving on from plasma to LED-lit LCD. With subsequent generation, LED-lit LCD TVs are getting better. I was very impressed with Samsung F8000 when I saw it at the shops last week. Why don't you demo some TVs and see what you think? 

If you're happy with your TV & not bothered about 3D, stretch your Kuro for few more years. OLED may just become a viable and affordable alternative by then, or LED-lit LCDs would start impressing you.

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murg wrote:

just to get things back on track, the screen size has got to be a 42 due to space limitations. I agree that the vt series would be the natural choice for the peplacement of my kuro but thats just not possible. so back to the original question.. If I decide to wait for my six year old Plasma to "die" and Panasonic plasmas are no longer available, then would whats on offer instead of plasma ( LED,4K,OLED) be a bacward step in terms of PQ as regards to what I have now or indeed what I could have if I bought a Panny Plasma before they all no longer available

 

The Panasonic 42GT60 would be the one then.  My Dad has the Pioneer 427xd and the performance on the Panasonic I think is better. I would get from somewhere like Richer Sounds.  At 42 inches in the future you will be limited.

I suspect it's a Pioneer 4280 like mine as these are now six years old. It's true the GT60 would be the nearest equivalent but it's not a quantum leap over the 4280 which was a clear step above the older 427xd. If 3D and smart features are not essential then I'd agree with the suggestions to hold on to what you have. Besides, the new tech is going to be offered by the same manufacturers. Panasonic aren't going to revise their customer care standards just because they're selling OLED rather than a plasma. LG and Samsung offer the same level of service, the same warranty terms, regardless of whether it's a 32" LCD or a 60" 4K set. Buying a premium set from a mass market manufacturer doesn't get us some kind of platinum customer care card. John Lewis will always do what they can but once their warehouse is full of TVs that the manufacturer isn't accepting back because they're "within tolerance" then they may be forced to take a tougher line with their customers. 

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I did look briefly at the Samsung PS51F850 when I was considering TV's, but Panasonic was on a roll with good TV's and had more of a range than just the odd one from Samsung. I must admit, LG were not on my radar. 

But looking forward 5-6 years, if and when I need/wish to replace my VT30, I also wonder who will be in the plasma  TV market besides Samsung and LG, or will OLED/4K become cheap enough to be the natural choice. By then 4K movie players/streamers etc will have sorted out the delivery of the media, I hope! 

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gel wrote:

murg wrote:

just to get things back on track, the screen size has got to be a 42 due to space limitations. I agree that the vt series would be the natural choice for the peplacement of my kuro but thats just not possible. so back to the original question.. If I decide to wait for my six year old Plasma to "die" and Panasonic plasmas are no longer available, then would whats on offer instead of plasma ( LED,4K,OLED) be a bacward step in terms of PQ as regards to what I have now or indeed what I could have if I bought a Panny Plasma before they all no longer available

 

The Panasonic 42GT60 would be the one then.  My Dad has the Pioneer 427xd and the performance on the Panasonic I think is better. I would get from somewhere like Richer Sounds.  At 42 inches in the future you will be limited.

I suspect it's a Pioneer 4280 like mine as these are now six years old. It's true the GT60 would be the nearest equivalent but it's not a quantum leap over the 4280 which was a clear step above the older 427xd. If 3D and smart features are not essential then I'd agree with the suggestions to hold on to what you have. Besides, the new tech is going to be offered by the same manufacturers. Panasonic aren't going to revise their customer care standards just because they're selling OLED rather than a plasma. LG and Samsung offer the same level of service, the same warranty terms, regardless of whether it's a 32" LCD or a 60" 4K set. Buying a premium set from a mass market manufacturer doesn't get us some kind of platinum customer care card. John Lewis will always do what they can but once their warehouse is full of TVs that the manufacturer isn't accepting back because they're "within tolerance" then they may be forced to take a tougher line with their customers. 

 

The GT60 range is ahead of the Pioneer 5090 but like you say not by much.

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Going back to the original question, buy another plasma or wait for what?  Plasma at 42 inches is finish, 4K TVs are massive, so are OLED TVs, LEDs will never be better than the GT60.  I think you will have a problem in the future.

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Murg, can you tell us exactly what model of Pioneer television you have?

Gel, good thinking in the post immediately above this. We can't tell trends three or four years into the future, but as current developments point towards larger television sizes, Murg's space limit of a 42" television will become more and more restrictive.

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