A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.
Where did you get this information from?
Was poastred ealier tin the thread - hos fathers 500a looks no better than his Sony except for the blacks...
You need to scale down on those drinks mate!
Meridian G61R, HD621, Bryston 9BSST
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Panasonic 65VT65, Marantz UD7007, HIFi Racks Podium Reference
Monitor Audio GX100, GXC150, Apex A10, BK XLS400 (set with hard knee house curve)
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It is indeed a road that never ends! Am pretty happy with the current denon on the bluray front
What's your opinion of the 2012, now you've lived with it?
Mostly all positive, have stuck with denon players for years (going back to DVD decks with scart outputs) and have always been happy with the picture quality, wanted the 2012 as still have a few SACD's and DVD-audio discs I play on occasion. Only criticisms would be:
loading times can be a bit clunky at times.
the remote control is a bit of a brick.
sometimes, on 'Universal' discs, if you leave it on pause for too long the 'Universal' screensaver appears and you cannot get back to the film without pressing 'stop' and then starting again from the chapter select menu.
for picture and sound quality though I honestly couldn't fault it.
Lounge: Panasonic TX-P60ZT65B (calibrated), Pioneer SC-LX75, Denon DPB-2012, Sky-HD1TB, PS4, Xbox 360, Apple-TV, Atacama Equinox AV stand, Monitor Audio Silver RX8, RXC, RX-FX, RXW-12. Kitchen: Pioneer XC-HM81, Monitor Audio Bronze BX2. Bedroom: Samsung UE37D6510, Samsung BD-C5900, Sky-HD, Pioneer N-50, Rotel RC-03 (pre-amp), Rotel RB-9708X (power-amp), Mordaunt-Short MS914
I'm sensing a pattern. I'm guessing the OLED will be from Panasonic's 'G' range.
You're assuming there's some guiding logic informing my TV buying decisions; if only...
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I've got my eye on a CA 651BD, but it'd be ex-display, which gives me some pause.
I'm really not! Subconscious at best.
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E series is plasma, ES is led. My TV is a Samsung plasma, so only your whole sentence is incorrect
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how much is that CA going for?
£300. If it was brand new, I'd probably do it.
Upscaling is the main reason I'm considering the CA, as the 651 does an exemplary job in this regard. Upscaling is reasonable on my Panny, but I'm certainly not getting the best from DVDs. (And I still own many films on DVD that are yet to receive a BD release.)
it actually makes no difference what the tv's are - setting them up by eye only is accounting for the differences you are not seeing - the sentence remains.
i can't believe people argue against a calibration it's completely deluded! £££££ on kit but not interested in actually seeing it properly its mental
Your samsung plasma is supposed to be very good after a calibration - before its generally all over the place according to reviews http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-E6500-PS-51E6500-60E6500-3D-Plas... http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022....
Looks like a good price. Nothing wrong with ex-display in principal if it still comes with their standard warrantee (I've brought ex-display a few times and not had a problem, though amps and speakers rather than players), the important thing is whether its genuinely 'ex-display' (ie. been sat on a shelf doing nothing) or whether its a returned or repaired unit. Will they let you have a look at the contents of the packaging? If the remote is still cellotaped up in its little bag and the batteries are still in their original shrink wrap that could be a good sign.
Strapped there a couple if UD 7006 in rhe bay wirh warranty for a similar price - that was 5 star player and best if that year
The marantz is almost identical to the denon 2012 so could be a really good buy at that price.
I neither calibrated my TV by eye or argued against calibration. Do you bother absorbing posts before you react to them? My post was about money, and about diminishing returns. I even made a point of vocaly not disagreeing with what Strapped said. From my fairly well trained eye I think the white balance on my TV is more than adequate using the 10 point adjustments from the link above. I have spent a long time working with colour, and have a very discerning eye for iffy colour. If I can get through a movie without thinking about the television, then the settings used are good enough.
My laptop is meter calibrated by the way, as was many of my displays before it. Which was a hilariously pointless act in the digital age because you can bet most of your clients haven't!
Speak to Nigel Moore at Peter Tyson. They're based in Cumbria, & may come up. They usually offer discounts for multiple screens.
Hi bigboss, thanks for the tip. I contacted Nigel Moore about calibrating my four existing TVs (and maybe the 65VT65 when I get it) in stages and got this reply today:
"Hi, thanks for your email. Unfortunately we do not do screen calibration. It’s something we have discussed but we have little call for it to be honest. The best way would be to visit the ISF website. I will have to check why we are listed on the site.
Kind Regards Nigel."
So, I''ll have to try someone else from the AVF or ISF websites, and hope that they can travel to me to to at least two televisions. I certainly want to have the Samsung and LG done before my next film shows to raise money for table-tennis, in about five or six weeks. He says that there's little demand for screen calibrations. Maybe there will be a bit more demand now as a result of this thread, thanks to Strapped for Cash!
I think TPS will come after a few weeks to calibrate your TV, once it's done 200 hours.
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Not with only Denon Blu-Ray players, like my BDP-4010UD in the parlour. My Oppo BDP-95EU in the kitchen does this as well, with Universal discs - State of Play, Hanna, etc. So I think that this irritating feature is specific to Universal Blu-Ray discs rather than to any one make of Blu-Ray player.
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