Well guys, I'd like to thank you for your posts, I've been reading them with great interest, & today bought a Samsung 64f8500 at a great price from reliant in Blackpool. I'm receiving this on Friday & have already emailed Julian to organise calibration in December hopefully. My brother will be the lucky recipient of my current 50" panasonic plasma.
Nice one. Yep - good thread Strapped.
cheers Gel, was planning to buy the panasonic 65VT, but with the deal I got, it'd have been £700 more & I don't think it was £700 better, in honesty I didn't think there was much in it, where the VT was better in some areas, the Samsung bettered it in others, plus even if the calibration costs £250, I'm still better off. Once calibration is completed I'll add the graphs etc. but it won't be for a while yet.
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Well guys, I'd like to thank you for your posts, I've been reading them with great interest, & today bought a Samsung 64f8500 at a great price from reliant in Blackpool. I'm receiving this on Friday & have already emailed Julian to organise calibration in December hopefully.
To echo a similar comment from bigboss on the previous page, why do you have to wait until December? It won't take you that long to do the required 200 hours on your big new Samsung plasma, will it? Unless Julian, like Steve Withers, is booked up way in advance, maybe because of this thread, which Strapped for Cash started!
My brother will be the lucky recipient of my current 50" panasonic plasma.
Hey, if you're giving away 50" Pansonic plasmas, just remember, we are all your brothers!
cheers Gel, was planning to buy the panasonic 65VT, but with the deal I got, it'd have been £700 more & I don't think it was £700 better, in honesty I didn't think there was much in it, where the VT was better in some areas, the Samsung bettered it in others,
I can't argue with your choice of television - I would incline to the Panasonic 65VT65 myself, because of its great black level, but the Samsung 64f8500 also has a good black level, and maybe better motion handling, and is certainly brighter. There really isn't that much to choose between these two very fine sets.
plus even if the calibration costs £250, I'm still better off. Once calibration is completed I'll add the graphs etc. but it won't be for a while yet.
I must disagree with your reasoning here though - you would have incurred the calibration cost (in order to get the best from your 3-grand set) no matter which television you bought, so that would be a constant factor.
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Yes, good point made, I was referring to financially better off, after all this is important to a tight Yorkshire man as myself. I also agree with the benefits the samsung represents but also the better black levels of the panasonic, but in the end the black levels on the samsung were far better than that of my current panasonic, so in a way it was a win win situation with the samsung based on my current plasma, but if asked a month ago, until I experienced the samsung plasma, I would have been buying either the vt or zt, the former won because as a man I consider size always matters & as superb as th zt looked, if I bought it, eventually I would have regretted it & wished I'd got the bigger option. Julian has now got back to me & hopefully will have date booked soon, why December? Simply logistics, I'm CEO of a Adult Mental Health Hospital & looking at my diary, there is just more availability for me to be free in December, so sadlyDecmber it must be& last thing I would want is to do it earlier & transpire that I have to cancel the date due to unexpected work commitments & then mess Julian about.
After two months, I thought I'd revive this thread because one of our more passionate members, theflyingwasp, is due to have his Panasonic 60ZT65 calibrated today, Saturday 26th October, by Mr Steve Withers, who also calibrated all four of my sets. I just want to give a quick, partial update of what I now think of the calibrations, three months after Steve did them in late July.
1. Samsung PS64D8000, in the parlour. This is the one that I am probably least impressed by, maybe partly because I hardly ever watch the damn thing! I have it on now, but that is just because I'm writing this piece. Nowadays I go to the parlour only to work on the computer, and the TV is not on then. I am, however, happier with the Samsung when watching Blu-Rays than when watching TV programmes via its Freeview HD tuner.
2. LG 60PZ950T, in the kitchen. I probably watch this set the most of all my four, it's on when I'm ironing, cooking etc. It's also, because I'm lazy, the one that I will watch when I'm eating - I mean, why would I go to the parlour to watch a slightly bigger set when the kitchen also offers a table and a comfy chair. It took me about a week to get fully used to the calibrated settings, but now I am a huge fan of the set. Calibration has NOT removed its only, but considerable, weakness, namely its fairly weak black level, which is most obvious when watching what should be dark scenes in 21:9 aspect ratio Blu-Rays, becaue the black bars above and below the film are shown to be grey, not black. However, with that considerable qualification, the calibrated picture, with both Blu-Rays and broadcast television programmes, is very, very good indeed. I know that it is the calibration that has made the picture so good, because it takes about 10 seconds to revert to the pre-calibrated settings, and they now just look garish.
3. Pioneer PDP-428XD, in my bedroom. The second-most watched set, and again, it took me several days to get used to the calibrated settings, but like the LG in the kitchen, I'm now a huge fan of the set. Like the LG, calibration has NOT removed its only, but noticeable weakness, in this case that it is not full HD, its pixel resolution is only HD ready. However, post-calibration, the picture with all sources is very good, so much so that I seldom notice the lack of full HD.
4. Pioneer PDP LX5090, in the second bedroom. I can't say very much about this set, which is intrinsically the best of all my TVs. This is because a friend has been staying there for some time, but is moving out at the end of October. So I will be able to examine it thoroughly by the end of the first week of November, and I'll report back.
Oh, one alteration to the calibrations. I hope that Mr Withers doesn't mind, but using the Blu-Ray of Skyfall, in Chapter 8, 30 minutes and 36 seconds from the start of the film. Bond is in the shooting range, and the cameral closes in on his face. Pausing the disc at that point, I've decided that maybe the calibrated settings could do with some extra sharpness, so I've increased the sharpness by about 25% and also - quelle horreur! - switched on Edge Enhancement, where possible. I do prefer the picture which the slightly enhanced sharpness settings.
I'll give the final update in about two weeks, with my thoughts on the calibration of the bigger, 9th-generation, Pioneer.
Nice update, thanks SoSJ.
Wasp, I would be pretty confident in saying you are going to be blown away by your ZT once it's calibrated. It may take a few days to get used to the picture depending on what type of settings you currently have, particularly with broadcast TV (I know SoSJ found the same thing), but stick with it.
It can be quite unforgiving with poor quality source material but BluRays in particular should look stunning. I watched Prometheus last weekend and the picture was, so far as I can tell, simply flawless.
Make sure you post your thoughts once you've had chance to try a few discs? (And them we can all start nagging Gel again! )
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Yes I hope all goes well my friend,I only watch films on the oppo in black out conditions,I removed the TiVo and gaming consoles and put them through in the living room.
As you know I already have a VERY good picture so I'm not expecting night and day.
Also thanks for your detailed review of your calibration son of sj .i really was 50 50 on this ,it's not cheap and with the quality I have already I knew not to expect a massive difference .
I'm not planning to upgrade for quite a while and even tho I can go bigger after this thing is calibrated I know I can't get better so I thought it was worth the investment.
Have you reached a conclusion re amp and speaker set-up yet?
Hello theflyingwasp, it's good that you are a bit cautious but I'm sure that that nice Mr Withers will be able to extract every last drop of quality from your ZT65, which as we all know gives the best image quality of all the Full HD (ie, non-4K sets). I think you should still be able to see a difference between pre-and post-calibration. Do allow yourself a few days to get used to the change though!
If he has time, perhaps you could get Mr Withers to read what I said in my interim update in post number 4 on this page (page 24) of this thread. I'm looking forward to doing the final update once I have a chance to look properly at the Pioneer LX5090, which is only 80% as good as your Panasonic ZT!
Damn! I forgot to remind theflyingwasp to ask Steve Withers if the calibration of today's ZT matches Steve's calibration of Mr Malarky's ZT, because Steve referred to that earlier calibration as one of the best that he had ever done! So who wins the "Best calibration by Steve Withers of a forum member's TV" award, Mr Malarky or theflyingwasp??? (I do know that I myself, despite getting four TVs done, am out of the running, sob!)
Unless Steve just says that to everyone? In which case I fell for it!
Unless Steve just says that to everyone?
Well, he certainly didn't say that to me!!
That's 'cos if he'd said it four times to the same person he'd have been rumbled!
Allow me to elaborate, sir. Mr Withers didn't say "That's one of the best calibrations I've ever done" to me, not even once, let alone four times, grrrr! Guess I gotta face facts, I've been inadvertently trying the quantity rather than quality approach with having four sets of varying abilities, but I lose out to you and theflyingwasp (and also to ellisdj's 65VT65, and strapped for cash's 50VT65) for the sheer quality of your ZT65s!!
Like me and one or two others, theflyingwasp has gone suspiciously quiet immediately after his calibration. He did say earlier that he would keep Steve Withers there until Steve said that his (theflyingwasp's) calibration was better than yours!
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