I agree I haven't and therefore I probably don't. Whether the difference is a worthwhile one to me I just couldn't say until I've seen it. TBF neither BB nor I is an inveterate tweaker. If you found someone who was spending £100+ on hdmi cables or whatever then the point 'you'd get better value by calibrating' would be a fair one. With my first proper tv I was very happy with it as it was. With my second I may want to squeeze out the last few drops of performance, but until I have one I won't know for sure!
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spending 20% of the cost price on something that will only have small performance benefits, seems like money badly spent.
I understand where you're coming from BBB, but I'd argue that the performance benefits are far from small. I decided to go for it out of general interest and felt far from confident it'd be money well spent. I only now realise how far off my previous TVs' settings were.
Take gamma, for instance. If you look at gamma readings from any Panasonic plasma out of the box, they look like a hill. Getting gamma flat changes the picture entirely. Contrast and shadow detail improve markedly. As a result, images are punchier with greater appreciable depth.
You also learn a great deal from spending a day with a professional calibrator. I'd now have a far better sense of what I'm doing if I ever went the DIY calibration route. If the calibrator is sociable and you're feeling observant, you'll gain a basic grasp of how the different settings interact. In fact, I'd love to give it a try now...
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With my second I may want to squeeze out the last few drops of performance, but until I have one I won't know for sure!
As above, I'd argue that you gain more than "squeezing the last few drops of performance" implies. Unfortunately, you can only appreciate this by viewing your calibrated TV in your own home. Without this experience, I can understand why many would question the benefits and value. That's really why I started this thread.
Poor phrasing perhaps. Although in absolute terms for my old 14" CRT v uncalibrated top of the range plasma v calibrated plasma, probably accurate. As I said, only with some experience could I judge whether the inprovement, however one might describe it, is worthwhile. From all I've read on calibrating over the years I suspect I would find it worthwhile but who knows.
From all I've read on calibrating over the years I suspect I would find it worthwhile but who knows.
That paradox perhaps accounts for the small minority of calibrated TVs in people's homes.
If you don't know how appreciable the benefits are, you question the value of spending the money. If you don't spend the money, you'll never know how appreciable the benefits are.
You have to take a leap of faith. If the cost of my calibration had been more, I'd likely never have taken that leap.
I have no doubt in my mind that calibration helps, and can make a significant difference to the picture. Very few people go for it, because:
1) Most people (who don't visit forums) do not know such a thing exists.
2) A lot of people who know about calibration will hesitate because of exactly what BenLaw says. You're paying for a service, and not a physical entity. They don't mind paying £100 for an HDMI cable instead of calibration (which is foolish in my opinion).
3) There are cheaper options in the name of calibration, like THX, calibration discs etc. There's nothing out there directly comparing the different options. Benefits of professional calibration is mainly word of mouth.
To be honest, even I did not know much about calibration when I bought my TV in 2009, and I had assumed that Sevenoaks would calibrate my TV during installation. I realised there was something known as "professional calibration" which costs a few hundred quid only few months later. If you don't decide on professional calibration at the time of purchase, you're less likely to do it later.
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Well I have to (a) have a new tv and (b) have a spare c£200 for an 'upgrade', neither of which is on the cards for a while so I guess I'm not your target market for this thread. Sorry
Hey BB, you can call me by just my first name, I think we've known each other long enough
Just used to calling people by their forum name Ben. I usually cut short if the name is too long, like strapped, BBB etc.
I'd prefer it if you called me by my full name please?
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And I'd prefer people capitalise my first name, even though I failed to do so myself.
Glad we got that all out in the open. The simmering tension would have boiled over eventually.
I'm not sure I had a target market. I was primarily interested in reading people's views, whether they've had a TV calibrated, or indeed never had a TV calibrated and/or never plan to.
Your contributions are therefore as valid and valuable as anyone else's.
There's something public school, and a little kinky about the name Strapped, don't you think?
Maybe I should call you Mr Cash?
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Goodnight Mr Cash.
I think that's to a large extent dependent on the forum.
Contributions to this thread come from a small pool of forumites, which suggests most WHF forum members have no interest in the subject at all.
And it's now officially my birthday, and as much as I wanted the day off, I'm obligated to go to work, so goodnight all.
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