This is picture of Stephen's Klein meter, with a pattern generated by his equipment, against my much-maligned LG 60PZ950T television in the kitchen.
and this picture, which I have also taken on a decent camera, shows Stephen Withers, the man who can calibrate everything from a 64" Samsung plasma to a 5.5" CRT television!
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I thought for a moment that you had been as wordy as I had, then I realised that you'd just quoted my entire long posting back! I myself don't quote unless the particular topic was some way back in the thread.
No, I didn't ask him directly as such, but he did mention that the Panasonic VT, ZT and a ninth-generation Pioneer are all very close regarding (calibrated) picture quality, except the Pioneer doesn't have Freeview HD, Smart features or 3D. However, he has just reviewed the 65" Sony 4K television, you can read it on the AVForums website.
Ah thanks. Did you have also have any conversations about the future of Panasonic plasma TVs and what he thought or heard would happen in the next few years? Cheers.
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as (I think) strapped for cash said some time ago, it's not simply a case of adjusting one parameter, then adjusting the next parameter. Adjusting one parameter can affect others, so it's an iterative process.
I did. I was really arguing against copying settings. As you'll perhaps concur, you'd need to watch a TV being professionally calibrated, or calibrate using a meter yourself, to appreciate how copying settings cannot lead to accurate results. In all likelihood, you'll do more harm than good.
When he did his red. blue and green colour measurements, I was surprised to see that on the Samsung, the blue reading was was stronger than the others, despite my having set up all my televisions as best as I could using the Spears and Munsil disc.
Samsung TVs are typically pushed toward blue out of the box. Viewers often prefer this, because CRT TVs were generally set up to push blue. This is perhaps why Samsung sets greyscale and colour balance up this way. It's often commented In WHF reviews of Panasonic plasma TVs that the Normal preset gives the most pleasing out of the box picture. Yet this preset also pushes blue and is less accurate than the THX and ISF modes.
I think that I should distinguish between when the televisions are being used to watch Blu-Rays and when they are being used to watch ordinary television programmes. For watching Blu-Rays, I am very happy with what Stephen did and indeed I can say that the previous settings now have that over-processed, over-colourful LED look that you see in most shops. However, for watching ordinary television programmes, I am less certain of the calibrated settings, for the Samsung and LG, though I'd happy with the calibrated settings for watching ordinary television programmes on the Pioneers. That may because the Samsung and LG are physically bigger than the Pioneers? Anyway give me until the end of the week and I might well be happy with the calibrated settings for watching ordinary television programmes on the Samsung and LG also.
That's interesting. The benefits for Blu-ray and HD broadcast viewing should be the same (i.e. the Rec.709 standard calibrated to is used for both Blu-ray mastering and HD broadcast content creation). As you say, maybe you need some time to adjust, having become accustomed to the inaccurate settings.
I had to get used to the post-calibration picture, but I could clearly see improvement in key areas by switching from the THX preset "optimsed" using test patterns to the professionally calibrated ISF modes.
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Thanks for these SoSJ. Am looking forward to getting mine done as from reading your post/picture, and Strapped's previous posts, I'm expecting to learn an awful lot on the day (I'm also expecting to be quite surprised by how far mine is also "out" on things like greyscale etc, especially now I've been playing around with menu settings for a few months).
In terms of TV pictures taking a while to get used to, what is it d'you think is causing that? Are they a bit dimmer or have less contrast than your used to?
What BluRay's have you had chance to try yet other than hanna?
(and the much-maligned LG looks very nice by the way! )
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Just caught up on this thread as have been busy trying to slove my rebooting issue with my new Samsung UE55F8000 which it looks like I have finally got to the bottom of at last.
I have tried to email Kalibrate twice now to get some info about getting my tv calibrated but I've yet to get any response, I first emailed a week ago and got no answer then sent a follow up one yesterday so it looks like they are not interested in talking to me about a calibration so can anyone recommend another calibrator that may be willing to travel to Essex to calibrate my please?
I really want to get a proper calibration done on my tv as it will be a keeper now I've got my issue resolved and Strapped suggested Kalibrate to me a while back, I was going to give them a ring on saturday as it's the only day I really get a chance to call but got busy and forgot all about it. Now a week has passed I'm of the opinion that they won't be in touch and simply aren't interested which is disappointing so I'm looking for an alternative and can't find the link Strapped supplied of all the calibrators in the UK so any help would be appreciated.
Good to read the positive experiences of everyone who has had a calibration carried out and it's spurred me on to get it done now, looking forward to seeing the results for myself.
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Hello Oldboy, this is the link that Strapped for Cash gave on page 2 of this thread
He said also "Most will travel, so it's wise to do some research first on individual calibrators and prices."
Of course, I can warmly recommend Stephen Withers, and also his colleague Mark Hodgkinson. I believe there is someone called Julian (in Leicester ?) who did Strapped for Cash's calibration and who is also very good.
Very many thanks Son_of_SJ for the info.
I really enjoyed reading about your experience with getting your tvs calibrated and yours and strapped experiences has got me thinking about getting it done myself now I'm settled on a TV. Will get some quotes and see who I prefer to do it and hopefully get a date set very soon.
let us know how it goes oldboy, as an Essex man as well it will be interesting to see who will travel to calibrate and if I keep my tv (will decide in a few weeks after the football returns as that was the main issue) I might get mine done.
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Well the best option for me by some way is Jules who is the guy strapped got to calibrate his tv which is displaycalibration.co.uk, he will travel for the day and do a full calibration of all sources and 3D for £205 plus £20 for petrol so £225 in total which is really reasonable I thought especially when compared to the other figures I got quoted today.
I'm booking up tomorrow once we can get a mutually agreeable date so will let you know the magic date once I've got it, really looking forward to seeing how much difference it makes now.
Sounds great, Oldboy. Jules is extremely thorough and his price is very reasonable, especially when you appreciate that many professionals still don't offer 3D calibration. Jules is a nice guy, too, which helps, as you'll be spending several hours in his company.
I live in Essex and depending on what TV you have I could possibly do the cakibration for you??
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Hmmm food for thought there ellisdj...thanks for your generous offer.
Only problem with that is that I don't think we can't share personal info on these forums so just how we could arrange for such a thing to happen is beyond me, my TV is a Samsung UE55F8000 3D LED TV by the way.
I aimed that comment at Razer - you have a samsung, I have not calibrated a Samsung before so you should get the pro in
Ooops my mistake, sorry
You could always give a Samsung TV a go.
Samsung TVs have easily accessible 10 pt. white balance and colour management controls; and based on what I've read, they're no trouble to calibrate.
Not that I'm trying to commit you to anything!
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