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"Affordable" 4K Projectors - any at CES 2014?

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Seems like lots of 4K TVs shown at CES, but the real benefit will be on much bigger screens through projectors.

I couldn't see any news in the CES articles about 4K hitting the £2-3k ranges of projectors?

Sony's cheapest seems to be the VPL-VW500ES at £9k.

As I'm going to have to buy a new projector in the next 6 months, I'm hoping that 4K will arrive in my price range in time.

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RE: "Affordable" 4K Projectors - any at CES 2014?

Panasonic normally upgrade their projectors every 12 months; however the latest is 6 months overdue, so they may have something in the pipeline.

Roll on 8K, 4K is so last year excellent!

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JVC's projectors are not true 4K. They take native 4K pictures, downscale it to standard HD (1080p), and eventually rendering 4K levels of pixel density to standard HD sources by passing them through two separate 1,920 x 1,080 imaging chips diagonally offset from each other by half a pixel.

Current full HD pictures benefit immensely by it.

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bigboss wrote:

JVC's projectors are not true 4K. They take native 4K pictures, downscale it to standard HD (1080p), and eventually rendering 4K levels of pixel density to standard HD sources by passing them through two separate 1,920 x 1,080 imaging chips diagonally offset from each other by half a pixel.

Current full HD pictures benefit immensely by it.

Gets a good review though 10/10

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simonlewis wrote:

bigboss wrote:

JVC's projectors are not true 4K. They take native 4K pictures, downscale it to standard HD (1080p), and eventually rendering 4K levels of pixel density to standard HD sources by passing them through two separate 1,920 x 1,080 imaging chips diagonally offset from each other by half a pixel.

Current full HD pictures benefit immensely by it.

Gets a good review though 10/10

As far as I'm aware, the X55 upscaled 1080p signals to 4K, but did not accept native 4K signals.

The newer range accepts 4K signals as well:

http://www.whathifi.com/news/jvc-dla-x900r-leads-4k-projector-line-up-fo...

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Check this article from the same site who gave that 10/10 review:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/jvc-dla-x700r_Projector_review

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I doubt very much we'll see the VW500 drop in price, as this hasn't happened to the VW1000. Margins are small, and there's only so much a manufacturer can do for the price point.

Sony have done extremely well with the VW500 in getting it to look very close to the VW1000, but I doubt that IF we see a VW250 next year at half the price again, it won't be close to the VW500. New technology comes down in price to a certain level while retaining quality, but when it gets even lower, it becomes heavily compromised. We will see.

As for the JVCs, whilst they can accept a 4K signal, they don't show that 4K signal 'as is'. It takes a 2K image from the 4K signal and upscales it. That's fine for those that don't want to buy any genuine 4K material, but I can't imagine that anyone would spend £5k or more on a 1080p projector right now with genuine UHD ones not being that much more.

I doubt we will see £2-3k UHD projectors until at least the end of next year, maybe even 2016. Although, I hope I'm wrong Smile

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RE: "Affordable" 4K Projectors - any at CES 2014?

If 4K is the next "big thing", then Sony will want to be able to promote it in the higher volume sales areas?

And that will mean getting it into the equivalent of the VPL HW50 at £3k.

4K may not get into sub £1500 projectors before 2016, but my money is on something.

Otherwise I'm hoping that the HW50 comes down in price.

I really like the image that my HW15 gives, but I'm kitting out a cinema room for the in-laws in Spain, and hoping to donate it to their cause.

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RE: "Affordable" 4K Projectors - any at CES 2014?

I think Sony will be looking to the TV market for 4K dominance rather than projectors, as there is a far bigger market for TVs than projectors. The price will come down, just not as quickly as it has done for TVs.

The HW50 is discontinued, and is now the HW55.

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