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very tempted to try vinyl.....
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never ever owned a vinyl before but I was listening to a friend's Miles Davis King of Blue on his TT.....very impressed with the sound, that background cracking. I have the CD version and I'm not an audiophile or anything but it just sounds different, I liked both.

So, here comes the question, I was looking at Pro-ject Debut carbon or Elemental 2.........whats your opinion on this as a start-up TT connected to either RA-12 or RA-1570 (yea, I havent quite brought a new amp yet either) onto a pair of CM1s.

I've never heard them play, will go try today, but theres absolutely no way I can even test them on a Rotel driving CM1s.

I mainly listen to jazz, easy-listening music. Norah Jones, Miles Davis, Kenny G, Lisa Ono.

I just spent like an hour reading the debate CD/Dig vs Vinyl on this forum........heated discussions...haha

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Which turntable does your

Which turntable does your friend have?

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

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Which turntable does your friend have?

actually friend's mate. I didnt ask but I just checked, looked like a Rega PP6 or RP6? no idea.

Maybe I should just let it go and enjoy my CDs and hi-def music for now..........or even consider a better cdp instead of a TT

I asked today at dealers, no Elemental 2s available here, and Debut Carbon come with the 5e instead of 2M cartridge??  More research I think.

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Don't let me put you off but

Don't let me put you off but do consider that if you've not already got a collection of LPs gathering dust, starting with vinyl is quite an investment (in money to buy the hardware, money to buy the records, time,*potentially* endless tweaks to get it all sounding 'just so') when essentially you're buying into something that won't play any of the media you've already bought. It's not something I personally would start with now, but a few people on here are recent newcomers to vinyl and enjoy every minute of it, and I'm certainly not going to tell them they were wrong to start. Just make sure you go into it with your eyes wide open.

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I started vinyl 2 years ago

I started vinyl 2 years ago and have no regrets whatsoever.

Yes I have a few duff records - vinyl can sound bad, but on the whole it sounds nicer to me than CD (i dont want to get into a debate about it)

IMO Vinly has no right sounding as good as it does, and it still baffles me today why it does.

Be prepared for investment not just with money but also time - however I love the ritual of owning vinyl.

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MajorFubar makes some very valid points here as usual. I would agree with all of them.

Not wanting to put anyone off but would also agree with stevebrock that I has benefits if you have the money to make a go of it.

It can be very expensive and, unless you can make money on each of progressive turntable upgrades you might make in the future, it is probably best so save for the most expensive turntable you can afford and get that later.

I too made several 'improvements' up the turntable chain and it ended up getting quite expensive makinfg a financial loss on most of them.

 

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MajorFubar wrote:

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Don't let me put you off but do consider that if you've not already got a collection of LPs gathering dust, starting with vinyl is quite an investment (in money to buy the hardware, money to buy the records, time,*potentially* endless tweaks to get it all sounding 'just so') when essentially you're buying into something that won't play any of the media you've already bought. It's not something I personally would start with now, but a few people on here are recent newcomers to vinyl and enjoy every minute of it, and I'm certainly not going to tell them they were wrong to start. Just make sure you go into it with your eyes wide open.

Totally agree.

Something I would add is a lot depends on your music preferrence. If like me you're an old f@rt and into older music, then buying vinyl is not expensive. There's a stall I go to when I'm away that sells loads of the stuff. I paid £45 for 11 albums, all in very good condition. If you hunt around charity shops, you might pay as little as 50p for an album.  

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I'm with the Major here, if

I'm with the Major here, if you haven't got one album it is better to stay with what you got, with the money you probably will spend, you can have better speakers, amp and cd player!

yes you can upgrade all your system with the money probably you'll spend...

25 years ago i let all my vinyl collection behind in my parents home, and after they died all the content of the house was sold, my vinyl inclueded, as i never, even in my wildest dreams, thought that i will ever be into vinyl in my live, but oh boy was I rong...

2 years ago, like you I had no TT, no records... At the present i've upgraded my RP3 and cart, upgraded my phono stage, i've 380 some thing albums in my vinyl collection, most of it is used vinyl bought on ebay and second hand vinyl shops, two travels to Amsterdam, (one of them was just to buy vinyl) and some are new. 

Imagine the system I could get with the money spent...!

But do I regreat geting in vinyl all again in the first place? NO I don't!

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Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:

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 two travels to Amsterdam, (one of them was just to buy vinyl) and some are new. 

 

there's a couple of decent vinyl stores in delft as well if you are ever over again.

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cheeseboy wrote:

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 two travels to Amsterdam, (one of them was just to buy vinyl) and some are new. 

 

there's a couple of decent vinyl stores in delft as well if you are ever over again.

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cheeseboy wrote:

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Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:

 two travels to Amsterdam, (one of them was just to buy vinyl) and some are new. 

there's a couple of decent vinyl stores in delft as well if you are ever over again.

There's quite a few in Lisbon (where he lives), but he seems to like Amsterdam for some reason.  Biggrin

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I would echo the advice of a

I would echo the advice of a few others, if you're going to get into vinyl at this moment in time, it's going to be very expensive. I love my records, but if I was in your position, I would be sticking to digtal, as it takes a long time, and lots of cash to get anywhere near a decent collection, and set up.

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW wrote:

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cheeseboy wrote:

Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:

 two travels to Amsterdam, (one of them was just to buy vinyl) and some are new. 

there's a couple of decent vinyl stores in delft as well if you are ever over again.

There's quite a few in Lisbon (where he lives), but he seems to like Amsterdam for some reason.  Biggrin

Yes there are some stores in Lisbon, but not with the variety and quality (well kept records through the years) that I find in Amsterdam or UK (on ebay I only buy from UK)

 I can find a "world" of Jazz, Blues and Soul in Amsterdam... 

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thanks all for advise and

thanks all for advise and comments.

I did go to check out the record stores and basically its just HMV and a few local shops that do vinyls in Hong Kong, but I've notice even in HMV, vinyl is getting a bigger section of their store. Price wise, like you guys say, its nearly double that of CDs and more sometimes.

As to setup, is it even possible to compare CDP to a TT? 

what I mean is, I'm using my 15yr Sony CDP (250pounds-ish back then) coaxial out to my RA-1570 and it sounds fine to me. Maybe if someone lent me a higher end CDP (RCD-1570, MF M6CD, Primare) to play side by side I would notice, but if I get a entry level TT like the stock RP1 or Pro-ject D Carbon with 2m red cartridge, would the sound be shocking?

I'm not trying to compare good cd quality or even 24bit music to vinyls, I know they are different.

My dad has a collection in the UK and an old old Sony HP-466 TT so it could be another good talk point hehe.

Also, the spec of the factory Debut Carbon in Asia is an Ortofon OM10 instead of a 2m red like the rest of the world, and of course it already more expensive. 2m red cartridge cost 100pounds extra. 

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I have the Rega P1 which was

I have the Rega P1 which was replaced by the RP1 and the sound it generates is far from shocking. the thing with turntables compared to CDP is the more you pay the better / more noticable  results you will get. 

I will upgrade my P1 when I have built up more of a vinyl collection, which most of my spare cash currently goes on, but at the moment I am happy with the results.

The key to a good sound I find is good quality vinyl and thats where my money is normally spent is getting the best condition vinyl I can afford.

You can get good quality playback from budget decks but budget turntables can be less forgiving on lesser quality vinyl.

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