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Turntable won't play beginning of records
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Firstly, apologies if this is in the wrong section. Wasn't sure where to put it. Anyway:

Hey guys.
Literally just pasting this on a few vinyl related forums across the web in hope of getting some assistance. Essentially: my player won't play (most) of my records from the beginning. If I hover the needle moreover the record, it usually works fine. So from about 30 seconds in from the first song on each side, it plays just fine. But when trying to play it from the beginning of the record it either skips or just produces a bunch of static noise.

Now, I know this isn't the fault of the records themselve, as I have tested it with about 10-15 of them now. However, the problem mainly seems to sit with the thinner records in my collection. The thicker  ones will either just produce this static for a while longer than normal, and then proceed to actually play the beginning of the record, or just play completely normally. I guess it must be somehting to do with the records.

I have taken some pictures and also a couple of videos in hopes of my issue becoming clearer.
This is the turntable it's self. Nothing too flashy, but hey, it works:
[img] https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/455x341q90/673/xOrr3w.jpg[/img]

Now this is the thing the slipmat is placed on, (don't know the name.) But it seems a bit loose/unlevel, and I think this might be what's cauing the problem. However I have absolutely no idea how to fix it. I can only assume it might need to be taken apart.
[img]https:// imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/655x491q90/540/QdQ2qy.jpg[/img]

And these things are at the bottom of the record player and adjust the height. I have managed to make the player significantly more sturdy, but I think the problem does lie with that thing below the slipmat.

Here are a couple of videos I took: one of a thinner record that won't play from the beginning, and one of a thicker record that will.
(Thinner record: Joanna Newsom - Ys) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIQw7wd-gw&feature=youtu.be
(Thicker record: Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLlHzTeIzFo&feature=youtu.be
(The latter I accidentally played on the wrong speed, so it if sounds a tad weird. That's why.)

Anyway, I hope I've provided enough information here for someone to assist me. Please be aware I'm not all that familiar with all this vinyl jargon, and I don't know what all the parts to my turntable are. I just like playing vinyl.

Also, I intend on buying a new player soon anyway, so please don't anybody just say something like ''You need to get a new turntable man'' because that's not actual advice, and that's what I sometimes seem to see on places like these. Not being rude, it just isn't useful advice.

Anyway, cheers!

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It looks like a mechanical

It looks like a mechanical issue for what I can see ( which isn't much tbh). Unless it's a easy fix I just wouldn't bother. Look, I know you said you didn't want to hear this but you need a new turntable. I was in a same boat a few years ago and decided to hit the charity shops to find something "better" to keep me going while I put money together. MOST important of all, that machine will wreck your vinyl at which point it wouldn't sound good on a £10,000 turntable. 

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Turntable won't play beginning of records

I may have read your post wrong but it doesn't sound like a major problem to me.  Isn't the 'static' noise the sound of the needle riding the groove before the music starts?

As for the needle skipping at the start of the record, I have  some vinyl with a slight 'lip' on the outer edge.  If your cartridge is weighted down too heavily it can can catch this lip causing the needle to jump.  Look closely at your record.  Is the outer edge raised slightly?  When you play a record is the cartridge touching the vinyl?  

 

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robejz wrote:

robejz wrote:

I may have read your post wrong but it doesn't sound like a major problem to me.  Isn't the 'static' noise the sound of the needle riding the groove before the music starts?

He quite clearly says the first 30 seconds of the opening track won't play.

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The_Lhc wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

robejz wrote:

I may have read your post wrong but it doesn't sound like a major problem to me.  Isn't the 'static' noise the sound of the needle riding the groove before the music starts?

He quite clearly says the first 30 seconds of the opening track won't play.

He does indeed but then again he posts poor pictures (one of which my browser refuses to open and neither will one of the youtube files.

It sounds to me very much like a arm geometry problem but cannot determine this from pictures. Never seen a turntable like it and he fails to mention what it is. Is it just me or does it appear to have a 'backward' setup?

 

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Al ears wrote:

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Al ears wrote:

Al ears wrote:

Never seen a turntable like it and he fails to mention what it is. Is it just me or does it appear to have a 'backward' setup?

Ion Profile Pro ...

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/ion-profile-pro-usb-turntable-n65hf

The first of the OP's photos shows it correctly.

The YouTube clip must have been 'flipped' by mistake.

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Anti-skate?

I was thinking it sounds like a anti-skate force issue to me. I'd certainly try adjusting the anti-skate force of the arm, if your turntable has that adjustment. If it skips inwards, that suggests (unless I've got things mixed up) that the force is set too high, pushing the needle inweards over the grooves. If you have a manual/set-up guide, or can find one online, that should show you how to do it for your turntable.

I'm a complete amateur so this might be utter rubbish, but it's what I'd try if my TT was doing that.

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thescarletpronster wrote:

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I was thinking it sounds like a anti-skate force issue to me. I'd certainly try adjusting the anti-skate force of the arm, if your turntable has that adjustment. If it skips inwards, that suggests (unless I've got things mixed up) that the force is set too high, pushing the needle inweards over the grooves. If you have a manual/set-up guide, or can find one online, that should show you how to do it for your turntable.

I'm a complete amateur so this might be utter rubbish, but it's what I'd try if my TT was doing that.

I doubt if that TT has anti-skate or tracking force. 

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Ion TT in my esperience were

Ion TT in my esperience were plastic low quality gear. I had one few years ago, I think one of the first with both the line and the usb output and especially the arm was plastic. A very bad experience.

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aob9 wrote:

aob9 wrote:

I doubt if that TT has anti-skate or tracking force. 

The online instructions bear that out ...

http://www.ionaudio.com/downloads/profile_pro_-_quickstart_guide_-_v1.2.pdf

... I can see no mention of any adjustments for anti-skate or tracking force.

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It's difficult not to sound

It's difficult not to sound conceited but to be honest it's a cheaply-built piece of plastic junk and for whatever you paid for it I'm pretty sure if you'd come here first we could have directed you towards something better via the second-hand market for the same money or less. That said, very obviously it's "not fit for purpose" and you have every right to return it to the shop for a refund or exchange.

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MajorFubar wrote:

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... and for whatever you paid for it I'm pretty sure if you'd come here first we could have directed you towards something better via the second-hand market for the same money or less.

With USB and 3.5mm, line level outputs for the OP's PC or dock system? Unlikely.

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Depends how much he spent.

Depends how much he spent. Not too long ago I helped my sister (who didn't have ebay) buy a nearly-new one of these for £80, which at least plays records. And for £150 there's a Project Debut Phono on eBay which will easily lay the pair of them to waste (not sure if it has USB though).

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Have you checked that the TT

Have you checked that the TT is on a level platform?

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