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Finally got the Sony PS FL-1 home. A lengthy story but I don't use couriers for these things anymore.

Fascinating object. It is surprisingly heavy and fun to watch when the smoked screen disappears and the drawer slides open.

It is a DD servo regulated turntable and is fully automatic, how very un-audiophile. Came with a new stylus fitted. All works relatively smooth and silent, somewhat of a surprise considering the age. The arm looks well made and moves freely in all directions with no friction.

I just spinned some Sade and it sounds good. Smooth with good drive and rhythm. It is not as precise as either the Garrard or Thorens but it adds a little bit of warmth which is pleasant. - I'd say this comes close to the archetypal turntable sound people expect without straying into soggyness. - It lacks a little bit of soundstage precision and texture at the frequency extremes but will never offend. - My Thorens in comparison is truthful and revealing ... for good or bad.

I will get around to service the Sony next week on my days off but taking top/bottom and front off for a quick look reveals 'sound' Sony typical engineering. The weight comes from the bearing and plate and well as the sliders and other assorted metal parts. Electronics are fairly elaborate with a good, large power supply on its separate panel. There is substantial cross bracing and although the platter sub chassis is plastic, it is not the normal thin stuff often found but really quite thick and inert.

I expect that sound will improve after a service and precise set-up so all happy here. She is silver at the moment but will get a nice new, black matt coat.

Should look and sound like new shortly.

Happy weekend everyone x

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Tenner ?.

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Tenner (plus some petrol money)

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Cant be bad. Have fun with your new toy mate.

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Thanking you kindly.

She will probably go on the bay in her shiney new dress and after a complete physical (and a bit of playtime with each other ... ).

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Allrighty, the panels are in the 'paint shop', hung up and waiting to dry. That includes the front one which I thought would look better. All in lovely new matt black of course. This should make this TT quite unique as it was only made in silver afaik.

As a bonus I found the missing front panel metal strip inside the front assembly. The motor mechanism was taken apart, cleaned and re-lubed and the rails/wheels de-greased completely, none needed there. -  Contacts have all been de-oxided (I always use Comma, its about 2000 times cheaper). The tonearm and head assembly got the treatment too.

Its all ready for re-assembly later today and I got a nice replacement Sony batch for the front. Also ordered a triplet of sorbothane feet to complete the job.

She will look like new.

Again, I was surprised by the material used for the tray/subchassis. Its a good 5mm thick and almost completely inert and dead to knocking. Certainly more so than the solid metal ones of both the Garrard and Thorens before treatment. - How important is that ... ? I dont know to be honest. Its a combination of different factors that make or break a table. Try and error, suck and see but its always nice to see that manufacturers put some thought and effort into the design.

Yesterday, whilst disassembled, I adjusted VTF to 1gramm exactly and I have to say, this unusual TT sounds just beautiful. Being a DD it 'drives' music along beautifully and has real rythm and snap. - Musical must have been the key word when they designed this product. - I think the biggest surprise was the clarity of high frequencies, crystal clear with no distortion.

After assembly I pay some attention to tonearm damping to just tighten bass a smidgen. Should be easy. Using the Thorens record clamp its already half way there and I have a new, nice interconnect with separate grounding wire ready for soldering.

Kind of makes me wonder just how much money do you have to spend to get really enjoyable TT sound.

Choose wisely, put in a little elbow grease and the answer is probably ... not a lot at all.

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Good stuff D.  Let you off until the paint is dry , however..................

 

 

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Will do, and others. Just something I never usually do, not sure why (not).

You are not by any chance the gentleman I bought the elderly lady off?

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Slight body-swerve, what's the Garrard you refurbed? I've got an old 210 mechanical drive autochanger that seems to work (it's got no cartridge at the moment!) but everything goes round and stops when it should) but the mechanism is a bit noisy, I should probably take it to bits and re-grease everything but I know damn well I'll never get it all back together again. Apparently it's possible to replace the spindle bearing with something less noisy but I can't remember what or where you get them from (I read it on a TT forum a while back).

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drummerman wrote:

Will do, and others. Just something I never usually do, not sure why (not).

You are not by any chance the gentleman I bought the elderly lady off?

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Thats a negative D . 

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An 86SB. Luvely thing despite some rather sarcastic comments on here when I enquired about it knowing nothing about it Smile (or any other TT for that matter). Nicely machined, heavy platter and a fantastic motor unit.

I took pictures as I progressed taking the whole assembly apart, a wise decision in hinsight. Its not so much an issue of re-greasing these old ladies but to get rid of the old grease properly. They will always be noiser being totally mechanical auto return.

Not sure what you mean by spindle bearing though.

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The_Lhc wrote:

Slight body-swerve, what's the Garrard you refurbed? I've got an old 210 mechanical drive autochanger that seems to work (it's got no cartridge at the moment!) but everything goes round and stops when it should) but the mechanism is a bit noisy, I should probably take it to bits and re-grease everything but I know damn well I'll never get it all back together again. Apparently it's possible to replace the spindle bearing with something less noisy but I can't remember what or where you get them from (I read it on a TT forum a while back).

You can download a service manual from the vinylengine . Dunno if you are registered but if not then you need to first. Get in there !!.

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DM... you once asked about starting your own hi-fi business. With all these turntables you aren't.... no, can't be. :twisted:

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floyd droid wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

Slight body-swerve, what's the Garrard you refurbed? I've got an old 210 mechanical drive autochanger that seems to work (it's got no cartridge at the moment!) but everything goes round and stops when it should) but the mechanism is a bit noisy, I should probably take it to bits and re-grease everything but I know damn well I'll never get it all back together again. Apparently it's possible to replace the spindle bearing with something less noisy but I can't remember what or where you get them from (I read it on a TT forum a while back).

You can download a service manual from the vinylengine . Dunno if you are registered but if not then you need to first. Get in there !!.

Yeah, that's the place I was talking about, I think I dl'd all that but I've no confidence in myself to put it back together properly, I'd rather find someone else that (vaguely) knows what they're doing. The replacement cartridge is a bigger issue to be be honest, I'd like something reasonable and modern on there so I can use a normal phono stage (ceramic cartridges require different equalization) but the tracking force of upto 10g makes it awkward!

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Drummer,

You MUST post pics, with that amount of work you deserve a bit more bragging exposure.  

It sounds like you are going to do all that work and sell on, is that right?  If I had the skill to do all that, with the time invested in it, I'm not sure I would part with it.  Particularly given its rarity and it sounding well.

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The_Lhc wrote:

 the tracking force of upto 10g makes it awkward!

Shure sc35 maybe or a Stanton 500 . Think you can ram 5gms into the grooves out of them.

You may have headshell problems here mind unless its a standard plug in , dunno if I'm totaly honest.

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