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Cost for you to exchange is going to be 5-600 quid.  You could get a Project Speedbox and a much better cartridge, and still have lots of money left over...

This'll show my naivety - what does a speedbox actually do? Is it a box of tricks that connects directly to my current TT?

Yes, it's a quartz-controlled power supply to make it run at exactly 33.33 rpm more consistently.  There are two versions, one more accurate (and expensive) than the other IIRC.  It also allows electronic speed change from 33 to 45, if that's any use to you.

So will a speedbox really up the quality enough on the Xpression 1 to justify upgrading the cartridge? I've taken, I believe, my current TT as far as is reasonable cartridge-wise. Also I've read so many times on here about the cartridge being the last link in the chain (TT and motor then the arm and bringing up from the rear, the cart...).

And I heard price compatible carts, namely Ortofon, alongside the ClearAudio and for my tastes, on the Pro-ject at least, it was the best out of the bunch, so what cart will outsmart the ClearAudio?

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Supposedly the first non-suspended TT to "better" the LP12

Shirley?

Apologies....long day.....and mid 80s since I last saw one. :oops:

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Had a reply back from the seller saying the platter sag has been rectified. Up until recently I've never heard of this problem. Can someone enlighten me on how often this happens on the Roksan or how to avoid it?

 

Basicaly the top face of the deck is routed out to accept a piece of mdf which the platter and various bits and bobs are nailed to. The mdf sags under the weight and you end up with the platter rubbing on the top face ,nice !.. It can be fixed (and apparently has been) but personaly i wouldnt bother with it PP. IMO matey is trying to recoup what he laid out having it tarted up. Buy it now for 700 notes,he is having a larf. You could get a fairly recent gyro se for that kind of money, for example.

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You could get a fairly recent gyro se for that kind of money, for example.

I thought that, but there haven't been any on the 'bay recently to exemplify.  Furthermore, PP insists on having a lid...:-(

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You could get a fairly recent gyro se for that kind of money, for example.

I thought that, but there haven't been any on the 'bay recently to exemplify.  Furthermore, PP insists on having a lid...:-(

Aye, that's favourite... Wink

Seen gateaux type covers for Gyros on the 'Bay' which looks ridiculous. Absolutely criminal! A stunning looking deck with OAP's bonnet. Nah.

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John Duncan wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

Cost for you to exchange is going to be 5-600 quid.  You could get a Project Speedbox and a much better cartridge, and still have lots of money left over...

This'll show my naivety - what does a speedbox actually do? Is it a box of tricks that connects directly to my current TT?

Yes, it's a quartz-controlled power supply to make it run at exactly 33.33 rpm more consistently.  There are two versions, one more accurate (and expensive) than the other IIRC.  It also allows electronic speed change from 33 to 45, if that's any use to you.

So will a speedbox really up the quality enough on the Xpression 1 to justify upgrading the cartridge? I've taken, I believe, my current TT as far as is reasonable cartridge-wise. Also I've read so many times on here about the cartridge being the last link in the chain (TT and motor then the arm and bringing up from the rear, the cart...).

And I heard price compatible carts, namely Ortofon, alongside the ClearAudio and for my tastes, on the Pro-ject at least, it was the best out of the bunch, so what cart will outsmart the ClearAudio?

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Easy up PP you will wear your chin out Wink .

What cart will outsmart the Clearaudio nailed to your current arm and though the same phono ?. Good question, as what sounds good to me via my arm/phono/etc etc, may not float your boat. If you like the way Clearaudio's sing on your deck why not go up the ladder a bit.

 

Gateaux cover !!. Lost me there draw me a picture .

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Easy up PP you will wear your chin out Wink .

What cart will outsmart the Clearaudio nailed to your current arm and though the same phono ?. Good question, as what sounds good to me via my arm/phono/etc etc, may not float your boat. If you like the way Clearaudio's sing on your deck why not go up the ladder a bit.

 

Gateaux cover !!. Lost me there draw me a picture .

The cover I saw, over year ago, reminded me of the sort of thing you see in a bakers or a tea shop, to keep the flys off the scones and sponges etc.

But will a speedbox improve the Pro-ject sufficiently to justify replacing the cart? From what I've read from previous posts it improves curent and current stability (my interpretation), but having heard other current improvers such as power amps and speacialised mains leads they do improve things but not by much. Having said that, I could be totally and utterly wrong! Wink

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The cover I saw, over year ago, reminded me of the sort of thing you see in a bakers or a tea shop, to keep the flys off the scones and sponges etc.

But will a speedbox improve the Pro-ject sufficiently to justify replacing the cart? From what I've read from previous posts it improves curent and current stability (my interpretation), but having heard other current improvers such as power amps and speacialised mains leads they do improve things but not by much. Having said that, I could be totally and utterly wrong! Wink

 

Lol, ah now i get ya. You can get custom made acrylic dustcover box doodahs for 70 quid or so. anyways, dust is cool Dirol .

 

The speedbox should,if its any good,maintain speed stabilty and stop you faffing around changing the belt for 45s but as for owt else i dunno to be honest. Lets face it, its only circa 100 quid so accounting for dealer markup, henleys markup etc etc, its worth about 2 bob :grin: Can you ponce one so as to have a play to 'see' if you can hear anything different ?.

 

Are you using an onboard phono ?. If so i would look into getting an offboard job as you will get better results from your current cart that way.

 

Remind me what cart you are running please PP. i seem to remember it is one of the wood variety.

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The cover I saw, over year ago, reminded me of the sort of thing you see in a bakers or a tea shop, to keep the flys off the scones and sponges etc.

But will a speedbox improve the Pro-ject sufficiently to justify replacing the cart? From what I've read from previous posts it improves curent and current stability (my interpretation), but having heard other current improvers such as power amps and speacialised mains leads they do improve things but not by much. Having said that, I could be totally and utterly wrong! Wink

 

Lol, ah now i get ya. You can get custom made acrylic dustcover box doodahs for 70 quid or so. anyways, dust is cool Dirol .

 

The speedbox should,if its any good,maintain speed stabilty and stop you faffing around changing the belt for 45s but as for owt else i dunno to be honest. Lets face it, its only circa 100 quid so accounting for dealer markup, henleys markup etc etc, its worth about 2 bob :grin: Can you ponce one so as to have a play to 'see' if you can hear anything different ?.

 

Are you using an onboard phono ?. If so i would look into getting an offboard job as you will get better results from your current cart that way.

 

Remind me what cart you are running please PP. i seem to remember it is one of the wood variety.

It's the Classic Wood Aurum cartridge.

Yup, the Leema has a very good onboard MM and MC phono stage.

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The cover I saw, over year ago, reminded me of the sort of thing you see in a bakers or a tea shop, to keep the flys off the scones and sponges etc.

But will a speedbox improve the Pro-ject sufficiently to justify replacing the cart? From what I've read from previous posts it improves curent and current stability (my interpretation), but having heard other current improvers such as power amps and speacialised mains leads they do improve things but not by much. Having said that, I could be totally and utterly wrong! Wink

 

Lol, ah now i get ya. You can get custom made acrylic dustcover box doodahs for 70 quid or so. anyways, dust is cool Dirol .

 

The speedbox should,if its any good,maintain speed stabilty and stop you faffing around changing the belt for 45s but as for owt else i dunno to be honest. Lets face it, its only circa 100 quid so accounting for dealer markup, henleys markup etc etc, its worth about 2 bob :grin: Can you ponce one so as to have a play to 'see' if you can hear anything different ?.

 

Are you using an onboard phono ?. If so i would look into getting an offboard job as you will get better results from your current cart that way.

 

Remind me what cart you are running please PP. i seem to remember it is one of the wood variety.

It's the Classic Wood Aurum cartridge.

Yup, the Leema has a very good onboard MM and MC phono stage.

 

I see , so its mc switchable, now theres a good thing. I honestly think you should borrow a dem speedbox from a dealer if possible so you can scratch an itch first. Then take it from there.

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The cover I saw, over year ago, reminded me of the sort of thing you see in a bakers or a tea shop, to keep the flys off the scones and sponges etc.

But will a speedbox improve the Pro-ject sufficiently to justify replacing the cart? From what I've read from previous posts it improves curent and current stability (my interpretation), but having heard other current improvers such as power amps and speacialised mains leads they do improve things but not by much. Having said that, I could be totally and utterly wrong! Wink

 

Lol, ah now i get ya. You can get custom made acrylic dustcover box doodahs for 70 quid or so. anyways, dust is cool Dirol .

 

The speedbox should,if its any good,maintain speed stabilty and stop you faffing around changing the belt for 45s but as for owt else i dunno to be honest. Lets face it, its only circa 100 quid so accounting for dealer markup, henleys markup etc etc, its worth about 2 bob :grin: Can you ponce one so as to have a play to 'see' if you can hear anything different ?.

 

Are you using an onboard phono ?. If so i would look into getting an offboard job as you will get better results from your current cart that way.

 

Remind me what cart you are running please PP. i seem to remember it is one of the wood variety.

It's the Classic Wood Aurum cartridge.

Yup, the Leema has a very good onboard MM and MC phono stage.

 

I see , so its mc switchable, now theres a good thing. I honestly think you should borrow a dem speedbox from a dealer if possible so you can scratch an itch first. Then take it from there.

I'll get scratching soon. Wink

I think now the ClearAudio cart retails for about 350 quid, although when I bought mine, about 5 years ago, it only cost 110.

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:? . . . PP, looks like you are going through the same processes as me . . . ?   The only difference is you have a TT, I went in, virgin, with both feet and a 20 year old memory, that some say was 'rose coloured'?

One feels the FleBay Rocksan offering might be OK at the right price . . . which it appears it ain't?

Your present TT . . . how good is it? and here in lies the problem, finding dealers who will, accommodate you bringing your existing TT and have the same amp, speakers, or, . . . you can drag everything along to them for comparisons . . . that was a frightening prospect for me.

The advantage I had, 'Regas' have a big and genuine upgrade following, P2, P3, P3-24 and P5.  It worked for me, I was lucky with my used purchases.  Total expenditure has been less than £1,200.00 to achieve what I was looking for, requiring; time, patience and some self belief.

The journey, not everybody's cup of tea, but worth it in the end, I feel.  Might be a few used P5's around, now the P6 is available, only problem, I hear through the grapevine, there is in some minds, a '?' against the P6 v P5 . . . CJSF

 

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:? . . . PP, looks like you are going through the same processes as me . . . ?   The only difference is you have a TT, I went in, virgin, with both feet and a 20 year old memory, that some say was 'rose coloured'?

One feels the FleBay Rocksan offering might be OK at the right price . . . which it appears it ain't?

Your present TT . . . how good is it? and here in lies the problem, finding dealers who will, accommodate you bringing your existing TT and have the same amp, speakers, or, . . . you can drag everything along to them for comparisons . . . that was a frightening prospect for me.

The advantage I had, 'Regas' have a big and genuine upgrade following, P2, P3, P3-24 and P5.  It worked for me, I was lucky with my used purchases.  Total expenditure has been less than £1,200.00 to achieve what I was looking for, requiring; time, patience and some self belief.

The journey, not everybody's cup of tea, but worth it in the end, I feel.  Might be a few used P5's around, now the P6 is available, only problem, I hear through the grapevine, there is in some minds, a '?' against the P6 v P5 . . . CJSF

 

No disrespect to you, CJ - our circumstances couldn't be more different. I know exactly what I want (and have achieved) but I'm looking for an extra boost to my current TT and cartridge without losing the qualities I have at the mo. 

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CJSF wrote:

:? . . . PP, looks like you are going through the same processes as me . . . ?   The only difference is you have a TT, I went in, virgin, with both feet and a 20 year old memory, that some say was 'rose coloured'?

One feels the FleBay Rocksan offering might be OK at the right price . . . which it appears it ain't?

Your present TT . . . how good is it? and here in lies the problem, finding dealers who will, accommodate you bringing your existing TT and have the same amp, speakers, or, . . . you can drag everything along to them for comparisons . . . that was a frightening prospect for me.

The advantage I had, 'Regas' have a big and genuine upgrade following, P2, P3, P3-24 and P5.  It worked for me, I was lucky with my used purchases.  Total expenditure has been less than £1,200.00 to achieve what I was looking for, requiring; time, patience and some self belief.

The journey, not everybody's cup of tea, but worth it in the end, I feel.  Might be a few used P5's around, now the P6 is available, only problem, I hear through the grapevine, there is in some minds, a '?' against the P6 v P5 . . . CJSF

 

No disrespect to you, CJ - our circumstances couldn't be more different. I know exactly what I want (and have achieved) but I'm looking for an extra boost to my current TT and cartridge without losing the qualities I have at the mo. 

Thats fine PP . . . all the work I have done, after setting up the room, the LB1's and the Croft, has been at the TT . . . I liked the LB1 from back in the 80's . . . the croft has fitted in like a pair of well worn shoes, no need for change . . . 

It has been the TT that bugged me, suspecting (knowing) there was more, but not being able to release it, the sub platter helped . . . but it wasn't until I happen on the Sumiko, then the Carver MCt and finally working out the problem with the support furniture.

I have now been sitting for hours this week (off work sick), simply wallowing in my new sound . . . its wonderful, especially when I come across a vinyl gem . . . heaven. 

You will find it mate :cheers:   CJSF

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