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Hi CJ, this may be of interest to you. Hope it helps a bit although it's not specifically for the RB700

http://www.originlive.com/Rega%20modification%20kits.pdf

and this too,

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/84059-rewiring-rega-rb250...

not sure how different the tonearms actually are, but should be of some help

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However the concensus of opinion is the Rega P5 modified as above is a giant killer, falls down on the last few point for infomation retreval against the big boys, but on musicality, it well ahead, they say???  

 

Important !!. This is not a dig at Rega so calm down fellas and read on,lol.

I love this giant killer garbage. A modified this a modified that @ 1000 quid total outlay (for instance) will live with, or be better than, a 6k table or whathave you. Have these fellas actually heard a 6K/8K/10K 'Big Boy' arm/table/cart set up next to their modded giant killer set up ,for a side by side comparison I wonder ?. 

Just a thought.  Wink

 

 

Hi Loyd . . . puzzled  As I put it . . . "they say" . . . however,  recently, I, have heard the slate Garad 401 against my modified P5 with a theoretically inferior cartridge in the P5.  My P5 is not yet up to the modified standard of some of the US Regas I get the impresion? . . . As I think I also said in a previous post, my P5 could live in that refined company 'with out disgace', there were three of us in the room at the time, over a number of hours and many tracks.

I have also coverd my a*se by saying that some like their music one way and others another . . .  I dont know about £6000 modern TT, but a slate Garad comes in at close on £4000 . . . plus arm I think and certainly plus cartridge.

One would respectfully sugest that cost does not always relate to performance in hifi terms, especialy when one starts to include the personal preferance elements?

At this level I belieive presentation and performance is very personal . . . I leave you and any others following the thread to ponder?

By the way, 44 hits and still no reply . . . dont they change tone arm cables in the States??????? . . . or do they stand back and let the experts do it???

CJSF

 

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gwynne61 wrote:

Hi CJ, this may be of interest to you. Hope it helps a bit although it's not specifically for the RB700

http://www.originlive.com/Rega%20modification%20kits.pdf

and this too,

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/84059-rewiring-rega-rb250...

not sure how different the tonearms actually are, but should be of some help

Thanks for that gwynne61, I have the Orivin Live in my favourits, but they are a tad vague over the earth wires, not showing if the earth (5th wire?) comes from the head shell down to the 5th pin that then goes to earth as an external wire as well as the captured wire between the bung a the vertical tube?  That what I want to knowand I cant find out any where, hard for me, I prefer pics and diagrams, dyslexia make writen instructions difficult?

 This arangement would work in by passing the non conductive ceramic bearings on the 'Audiomods Classic arm' I am proposing to install, but, is that what they are saying?

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gwynne61 wrote:

Hi CJ, this may be of interest to you. Hope it helps a bit although it's not specifically for the RB700

http://www.originlive.com/Rega%20modification%20kits.pdf

and this too,

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/84059-rewiring-rega-rb250...

not sure how different the tonearms actually are, but should be of some help

OK gwynne61 . . . I have read the 'Incogneto Rega arm' re wire . . . very simple, it seems to sugest the earth wire connects the arm tube and an external screen creating a faraday type shield from the arm and said screen, there is no conneting to the loom its self, the arm and external screen making a giant coaxil type screen?  Thats the way I see it, therefore, if one could use coaxil cable as the arm cable from head shell to the phono plugs, I see no need for any extra shielding???  Just my way of seeing it, am I right?

The idea of taking the arm apart . . . shocked  !!!!  The authour says its Ok on a RB300 type but dont try it on a 250!

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Hey CJ , read my bloody post again please mate and hopefully you will get the gist of what I was getting at. You didnt have to cover your behind, well not with me anyways. You will notice that I did not name any decks at all, for a reason. 

The whole point was ( helping you get my gist here ) that I have read many forums where Guys/Gals have posted 'Yeah a modified doodah if done correctly will slay xyz that costs abc'. Have they ever heard xyz, highly unlikely with some of the names I've seen touted around that have been 'giant killed'. Perhaps I shouldnt have put things in monetary terms , but at the end of the day those are some of the price brackets what these muppets say their modded decks are better than. Sorry but they are talking complete b****x. 

Byraway , Your modified deck did live in refined company without disgrace. More to the point a certain person was well impressed with the results of your tweakery (is that a word ,lol).   ;)  Smile.

 

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gwynne61 wrote:

Hi CJ, this may be of interest to you. Hope it helps a bit although it's not specifically for the RB700

http://www.originlive.com/Rega%20modification%20kits.pdf

and this too,

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/84059-rewiring-rega-rb250...

not sure how different the tonearms actually are, but should be of some help

OK gwynne61 . . . I have read the 'Incogneto Rega arm' re wire . . . very simple, it seems to sugest the earth wire connects the arm tube and an external screen creating a faraday type shield from the arm and said screen, there is no conneting to the loom its self, the arm and external screen making a giant coaxil type screen?  Thats the way I see it, therefore, if one could use coaxil cable as the arm cable from head shell to the phono plugs, I see no need for any extra shielding???  Just my way of seeing it, am I right?

The idea of taking the arm apart . . . shocked  !!!!  The authour says its Ok on a RB300 type but dont try it on a 250!

CJSF

Sorry, don't really understand the intricacies of Faraday, was always useless at physics. I was browsing the thread and googled Rega arm rewire out of curiosity as I have a P3-24 myself and thought that sharing the document may help.

Hope it goes well for you.

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Hey CJ , read my bloody post again please mate and hopefully you will get the gist of what I was getting at. You didnt have to cover your behind, well not with me anyways. You will notice that I did not name any decks at all, for a reason. 

The whole point was ( helping you get my gist here ) that I have read many forums where Guys/Gals have posted 'Yeah a modified doodah if done correctly will slay xyz that costs abc'. Have they ever heard xyz, highly unlikely with some of the names I've seen touted around that have been 'giant killed'. Perhaps I shouldnt have put things in monetary terms , but at the end of the day those are some of the price brackets what these muppets say their modded decks are better than. Sorry but they are talking complete b****x. 

Byraway , Your modified deck did live in refined company without disgrace. More to the point a certain person was well impressed with the results of your tweakery (is that a word ,lol).   ;)  Smile.

 

 

Hi Floyd, looks like I got the wrong end of your stick . . . my sincere apologies, as I have said before, I hold you opinions in high regard . . . again apologies.

'He and I seem to think along the same lines' . . . no bull s**t . . . simply good or bad in our opinion.

Waiting on him to give me a price on wiring an Audiomods 'Classic' tone arm, seems AM adraging heals with supply price?  With a few replies from hear and the US,  I have now been able to sorted the wiring options to do the job myself if need be, all depends on how much . . . ?

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No worries CJ. I read your post at work via my jellybone and thought  'aaaaaarrrrgggghhh f**k he aint read the post properly' lol. 

Theifbay has Cardas 33 awg litz  just as a starter for ten. Well tis just over a tenner ,lol.

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No worries CJ. I read your post at work via my jellybone and thought  'aaaaaarrrrgggghhh f**k he aint read the post properly' lol. 

Theifbay has Cardas 33 awg litz  just as a starter for ten. Well tis just over a tenner ,lol.

Hi Floyd, this guy seems to have a solid feet on the ground aproach:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170872917432?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Although I dont entirly go along with the tone arm, but hay, everyone to his own.  He has spent a good few emails to me today helping with arm wiring.

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Ah !, the very Vic, think you pair should get along just fine. 

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I do get the nickers in a twist on ocassions . . . takes me round and round the houses, over the same ground so many times trying to work things out. . . . I stepped back and looked at rewire v. new tone arm, lost hours of sleep and gained more grey hair.

I lost sight of the fact that I have stated many times, 'generaly, I dont like silver wire' . . . I got side tracked down the silver wire alley, solid silver single strand or litz copper silver coated, 5 din plug or streight through, re wire the RB700 or buy a new arm . . . banging head against wall

Finaly got my head together, there is a synergy between the system that I have as a whole, any change I make will not be 'night and day', if beneficial at all, may just be differant . . . ?  However I hanker after a little more air, perhaps a bit more image, like I used to have in my previous life???

Single, solid silver cable might give me this??? but it might take me into the relms where I can hear the 'silver cable'?  Plus I dont want to up set the present arm, no going back, if I dont like the rewire?

Best option, the standard 'Audiomods Classic arm', Cardas 99.9% oxygen free copper wire all through.  It is said to give the air and extra image I am looking for, I dont have to upset the RB700 . . . its a back stop if the Audiomods does not suit.  I should be able to get my money back on fleBay, as I did with the Benz cartridge.

. . . and if I must!!!doh!   I can rewire . . . at a later date, thats 'wriggle room', becase, as Chebby says, I am an inveterate tweaker.  The Audiomods arm is easily rewired with single strand 0.2mm silver cable just to try it, dont like it I can easily revert unlike the RB700.

I cant see not liking the AM Classic arm, but I have back tracked befor . . . ???  Ordered to day, delivery mid January.

CJSF

 

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I have a cunning plan thats going to cost you nowt CJ. Contact JD telling him you have my permission to forward you my email address. Bung me an emither and I will get back to you , prolly tomorrow eve as I'm going to force myself to do a little work tomorrow. 

Nowt ventured and all that  Smile.

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I have a cunning plan thats going to cost you nowt CJ. Contact JD telling him you have my permission to forward you my email address. Bung me an emither and I will get back to you , prolly tomorrow eve as I'm going to force myself to do a little work tomorrow. 

Nowt ventured and all that  Smile.

 

Hi mate, 'JD' who's JD ???? . . . not a problem, my email has been on here a couple of times:

(not the single 'F') [removed by 'JD' who's JD ???? for spam avoidance purposes]

CJSF

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Check yer inbox , knowing me though its gone to Shanghai.

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Hi mate, 'JD' who's JD ????

A moderator and frequent contributor on this site...

http://www.whathifi.com/users/john-duncan

...also used to be 'Head Of Technology Delivery' for What Hi-fi? and other Haymarket publication websites.

You don't 'get out' much do you?

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