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helpful ?

what's that supposed to mean ? Very helpful !!

My 700 good are probably better than most peoples "pristine" all kept in anti static sleeves for the last, 25-40 years, all professionally cleaned 10 years ago, when I moved house, cost me £550 for 690 if I remember correctly and they were packed into 3 custom fit double seal boxes to transport, still in now.

They CANNOT be described as anything other than good, when they've been played as many times as they have,  ~~  mind never on anything worse than a Rega planer 3, my first T/T, and never tracked more than 2.2 g.

If you can't help solve my problem why post, I want a good stage/cart, about £1500 with no massive cracks, that will perform nearly as good as my digital sources, that's all I asked, with as much info as possible to help with any suggestions.

some people are just up their arses to criticise, rather than help, from what I can forage from this forum, thanks in anticipation.

BTW I only have 4 scratched records, and I only keep them for sentimental reasons, I do not play them.

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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Another brand to look at, as

Another brand to look at, as well as EAR Yoshino, would be Croft. http://www.divineaudio.co.uk/brands/croft-acoustics

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Thanks Cno, got a bit hot under the collar, as two posters are blaming my records.

Been doing this for 45 years now, I know its not my records, I was thinking of giving up and just getting the best MM (2M Black)  or High ouput MC (dyna DV10) and stick with the Fono, but my head knows there's something better out there, just need to find it.

Thanks for your input, greatly appreciated, and will follow up on monday by trying some other stages on home demo, and sale or return,         Patience    !!!

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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mgkwackerd wrote:

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Thanks Cno, got a bit hot under the collar, as two posters are blaming my records.

My apologies.

I was basing my cleaning recommendation on some of your original comments ...

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....none are pristine, half are good, rest, average or worse ...

... Both these combo’s were EXTREMELY critical of the LP, massive “cracks” and large pops, which actually frightened you to jump whilst listening to your music, even the entry and release from grooves made massively unacceptable large “cracks” ...

I hadn't realised (because at that point you hadn't told us) that your records were in better condition than most people's definition of 'pristine' and that you had already had them professionally cleaned some time ago.

 

 

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mgkwackerd wrote:

mgkwackerd wrote:

Thanks Cno, got a bit hot under the collar, as two posters are blaming my records.

I strongly suspect, that given who the 2 posters are, they were genuinely trying to help - forums can be tricky places to fully understand the knowledge and experience of the person asking the question.

The EAR stuff is stocked by this crowd: http://www.jordanacoustics.co.uk/turntables.php?manufacturer=EAR%20Yoshino&value=4&category=Phono%20Amplifiers

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Chebby, thanks.

my good is some peoples pristine, I only handle them in white cotton/silk blend gloves, and only about a hundred were subjected to felt mats, I went cork for about 25 years, then the last 12 years, acrimat.

But, some may have been played over a hundred times and are bound to have suffered, but I've "NEVER" experienced this massive cracking, as I got with the Lehmann and Trichord phono stages, that's why I posted on here to see if anyone can help.

I'm puzzled, anyways, apology accepted.

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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You might want to try out the

You might want to try out the Rega Aria MM/MC phono-pre at £798 (roughly on budget).

Whatever they are getting right with the more 'humble' Fono, might be even 'righter' with the Aria.

This reviewer found the Ortofon 2M Black to be a particularly good partnering cartridge. (He also makes the point that the Rega Aria is 'incredibly quiet'.)

 

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Thanks, a list is being formed, another poster on another forum has suggested the Primare R32, so now I have 4 to look at and hopefully demo. (the incedibly quiet is interesting) Also shows how more heads, the better. Even though I own a Primare I22, Pre 32, 2x A34.2's and a CD22, I didn't know they made a phono stage!!

There has got to be one,  that improves my T/T, as it is a very good T/T and the Audiomods V is a highly re-engineered arm, that should be capable of handling any cartridge sub £1k

Looking forward to next week and implementing my new shared idea's, some dealer is going to hate me, LOL.

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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mgkwackerd wrote:

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Thanks, a list is being formed....

Here's another brand for your list:  http://www.analogueseduction.net/icon-audio.html

Review (test winner):  http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/vinyl-lp/29-phonostages/168-phono-stages-group-test.html?start=3

Review of the EAR-Yoshino:  http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/tony02.htm

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Misadventure resolved

I've home tested Rega Aria, Primare R32, Croft RIAA R, EAR 834 ordinary, Rogue Triton, and LFD LE. (£795 to £1095)

Have used the same MM cart, 2M bronze, for all the listening, and it was between the Croft and LFD

Both very nice, no concerns about listening to their "sonic signature" as within minutes you're just listening to the music, and forgetting they are there. Surface noise was negligible on both, but have gone for the LFD as it is just the most pleasing to listen to and is the one that offers the least annoyance of ticks, cracks and pops, but has great airiness around instruments which suits my amplification perfectly, and makes the whole listening experience really enjoyable, and there are no valves.

There was no "oooohh didn't like that, owtch that's harsh, wow that's recessed, errr that's rubbish" just great listening with much better detail, depth, soundstage, taughtness and airiness, a great improvement over Rega Fono, and just how I like to hear my music, not forward and in your face.

The other 4 gave fairly similar traits as the Lehmann & Trichord, not my cup of tea.

Anyway vinyl listening is now on a par with my CD, and I may even buy new Vinyl, so theres a shock !!

thanks for the replies

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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Only just saw this thread,

Only just saw this thread, and so glad you have a good solution. My only experience akin to yours was many years ago with a Dual tt with mc cartridge with had an earth/static problem. About twice per side a huge click, more like lightening strike, would occur.  Nothing to do with LP surfaces, just random sparks which I solved with a kit kat wrapper earthing said static!

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nopiano, I knew it wasn't earthing, my arm is cardass wired with seperate ground wire and the bearing assy is grounded as well.

Just seems some of the newer phono stages are just way too forward and really spoil the listening experience by exacerbating the clicks, crackles and pops, anyway happy now, and all units returned, and has cost me about £50 in P&P returns.

Going to buy an LP, the weekend, first for 25 years, just to see how good a new 180g is, on this much improved T/T set up.

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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Going to buy an LP, the weekend, first for 25 years, just to see how good a new 180g is, on this much improved T/T set up.

Pink floyd - Division Bell 180g reissue - they have done an amazing job of it 

 

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Steve,

I have that on CD, original and re-master, prefer the original.

Now I've decided to start buying Vinyl again, I'm not going to duplicate on CD, as this T/T set up is now producing the goods.

I went to get Wishbone Ash's latest "Blue Horizion" double gatefold, but couldn't find it, so will get it M/O. But I did buy a new sealed old style "Purple Rain" soundtrack £3.99, very good to hear "new" vinyl, as all my records have been played a lot, and the clarity was excellent.

New era dawns !!

 

1)Inspire Apollo/Audiomods V/2M bronze/LFD LE/Sonneteer Byron, Primare CD22, Cyrus CDi/ Primare pre 32 & 2 Primare A34.2 /Kef R500. 2)Rega Saturn/Primare I22/A34.2/Revel M106. 3)CD8se2 Lehmann cube/AKG701/Sen650

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