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RE: Knosti Disco Anti-Stat

I use battery top up water, isopropyl, and ilfotol mixture.

I found that leaving the records to drain dry was quite a slow process, and also it left some bits on the records occasionally, which is why I brought a drill in to the equation,

After spinning the records in the antistat bath, I place one of the spindles in to my drill, tighten very carefully, then spin all the liquid and gunk off. 

Works much better than letting them dry.

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RE: Knosti Disco Anti-Stat

I give them a spin as fast as I dare in my hands to get the worst off. It's the only way I get my kicks these days.

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Hello Folks !  May I say this

Hello Folks !  May I say this is my first post so be gentle !!

I recently ,like so many others , opened up my vinyl collection again after not having played any for a few yrs.

The old Triumph Stack system was still in the living room (mainly using the CD player and the radio) but the stylus on the Rotel TT was about  knacked .

So bought a new AT 35m cart and a set of dig scales and started spinnin again.

Its been dissappointing to see how much dust and in some cases what looks like mould has got onto a few LP,s, so  having read this thread I bought a Knosti  !! Wooo

Thanks for all the tips on mixes , eager to get stuck in an try it . 

 

 

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Good luck

Hi Gibbo, and welcome to the forum.

Good luck with your Knosti. What I'd say (from experience) is:

- don't dive in and clean your most valuable LPs first, get some practice on ones you care less about before you move on to the valuable ones. That's not to say that you're likely to damage records to start with, but it's worth playing safe and being patient, just in case you make mistakes!
- for really dirty ones, especially when there's a hint of mould, make a solution with tapwater (filtered if possible) and the alcohol/vinegar (whichever version you're using), and throw it away after every couple of discs. This means you're not spending money on solution that gets thrown away really quickly. Then when they've all had a clean, put them through again with some proper solution. I made the mistake of cleaning some really dirty LPs and then continuing on with others; the others ended up really noisy because dirt had got onto them from the dirty LPs.
- turn the records gently in the Knosti - you're trying to coax the dirt off, not force it off. Again, I made the mistake of being a bit too brutal with some of mine, which now have rub marks around them from the brushes. Doesn't seem to have affected sound quality, but it's not ideal.

Happy cleaning. It's a lot of effort with this manual machine, but the results are worth the effort.

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Thanks for the tips .   I am

Thanks for the tips .   I am having a hernia op next week ,so might be laid up for a day or so .

 

Had an idea , has anyone tried soaking the records in a flat bath for a period of time , with warmed solution ?

Then giving them a gentle brush with a record brush , maybe on a plinth too that you can turn in the solution ,before rinsing then putting them through the Knosti?

Going to get some LP's that were my wifes and look really bad , loads of greasy finger marks ,and I dare say shot really , but I shall experiment on them ,ha !     Dollar and The Carpenters spring to mind .

I can always use them for frizbees

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Mr Giblets wrote:

Mr Giblets wrote:

Had an idea , has anyone tried soaking the records in a flat bath for a period of time , with warmed solution ?

 

Never tried it, but it wont do the labels any good whatsoever.

 

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DIB wrote:

DIB wrote:

Mr Giblets wrote:

Had an idea , has anyone tried soaking the records in a flat bath for a period of time , with warmed solution ?

 

Never tried it, but it wont do the labels any good whatsoever.

 

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I realised that after I had written it. Doh

It would be good to make a sleeve with an open centre , lined with foam maybe , but not practical! 

I have rooted out an old Columbia wind up gramaphone from the attic . I think I will use that to brush some home made solution on ,with a paintpad to soften the dirt dust , and put then through the Knosi ,then back onto the turntable to hover them of with a wet and dry va ,and a modifed crevice tool with velvet on!

Maybe make a seperate mat for the TT so as not to recontaminate it each time

Let you know how I get on

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Seeing as i am gingerly

Seeing as i am gingerly kicking my heels after my heria op , I assembled my wet and dry apparatus , wand , albeit a crevic tool with paint pad strips up the side of it , and tried to do a few old Abba records of my wifes .

    I admit its a lot messier than I had forseen ,and the vacuuming of the record didnt go well.

I  even had a try at spinning the disc on my cordless drill but very nearly ended up sending it into orbit.!!

I will be honest , I found it easier to gently scrub the LP with a paint pad on a round chopping board in the sink with solution ,and rinsing under the tap , repeating till It looked clean enough , then put it finally into the Knosti once and leaving to dry in the rack  !

The concern would be how long or effective    that would be in colder , less dry conditions , but they could always go nearer an airing cupboard I suppose.

    Until I find a better wand , the vac job has been put on the back burner . Ha

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Mr Giblets wrote:

Mr Giblets wrote:

I  even had a try at spinning the disc on my cordless drill but very nearly ended up sending it into orbit.!!

Try tightening it a bit more, I never have any trouble.

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 I struggled finding some

 I struggled finding some threaded bolt with the right diameter to be honest !

I am not supposed to lift ANYTHING so I was being watched !

I did think a nice tight fit for the centre and 2 good washers with possibly a rubber washer either side and a wing nut on the end ?

 Will try it again. The vaccuuming job tends to wet the fibre either side of the slot and continue spreading it around the grooves , streaking it !  I can see now why some folk prefer a purpose made wand!

But I am just a tight a***

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You're doing it wrong.

You're doing it wrong.

 

With the record still attached, put the centre part of the knosti clamp into the drill, tighten well, then spin it.

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Doh , had thought of that but

Doh , had thought of that but thought I might break it.

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 I see you mentioned putting

 I see you mentioned putting the spindle in the drill in an earlier post BB.

 I must pay more attention!!

Very pleased with the resulting work on the Abba LP,s . 

Had almost thought they were beyond saving ,  but when clean the scratches ( what I persumed were anyway) ) have gone , apart from one or 2 .

  The other half is going to award me a few brownie points when she listens to the results (despite alarming her by scrubbing them in the sink and telling her my Hitachi drill was flying them around!!) 

  Thanks everyone.

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Gibbo, rather than trying to soak the records before putting them in the Knosti, you could try the method I mentioned somewhere above:

Make some solution based on tap water (filtered if possible), put each record in, spin it once very slowly/gently to get it wet all over, and leave it for a few minutes. Then give it a few spins to pick off the worst of the dirt. Throw away this solution every few discs - it's not going to cost anything because it's tap water.

Once you've done that, make up a solution based on distilled water. This time go through the normal cleaning process.

That way, you've soaked each dirty disc before really spinning it in the machine, and you haven't wasted distilled water (or isopropyl, if you're using that).

Glad you're pleased with the results so far. Mine has been a revelation. Only problem is, you get a lot less tolerant of clicks and pops on records!

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thescarletpronster wrote:

thescarletpronster wrote:

I've just found this old thread. I hope it's OK to bump it. I've used a home-made mixture of distilled water with a spoonful of white vinegar and a few drops of dishwasher rinse aid. The results have been pretty good. I've been wondering about trying the isopropyl mixture, and might invest in some to see if it improves things

bretty wrote:

I excluded the alcohol for two reasons:

1: It's only purpose in the formula is to speed up the drying process, it doesn't help with the cleaning. There isn't much difference in drying time, anyway. About ten minutes with the alcohol. About 15 without.

My understanding is that the alcohol acts as a solvent for grease. This is the job that the acid (vinegar) does in my mixture. At least, I think so - I'm going back to school chemistry there! While pure distilled water will be fine for dusty LPs, it might not be so good at cleaning ones with fingerprints or other grime on them.

What I've ended up doing when I have records which are particularly grimy - many second-hand ones - is first to put them through a solution of filtered tap water with a bit more vinegar and rinse aid in it, to get rid of as much dirt as possible - and change this water frequently. Then once this has been done, clean the machine and run the discs again through distilled water with just a small amount of vinegar and rinse aid in it. This is a cost-effective way of cleaning really dirty discs, albeit a bit more work, as the distilled water mixture will last a lot longer before getting full of bits. I also filter the mixture regularly using double-layered coffee filters. I'm not convinced this does a great deal, but it gets rid of the worst of the dirt.

In cases of really dirty discs, especially those with a 'wash' of pressing release agent on the surface (which I find an increasing amount of new vinyl suffers from) I even heat up the liquid first to hand-hot, and keep the disc moving. I've not warped one yet! and this can help shift really stubborn marks.

There's probably a case for doing a last run through with pure distilled water, to ensure any remaining cleaning agent is removed, but I admit I haven't bothered to do this.

Interesting Pronto!!

Having been a bit bored and my mind working overtime , I have gone and bought another Knosti record bath off e bay today  for 17.99!!    The Mrs wont be impressed ,ha

 

 I think BigBernie said it was the way forward and certainly it will make the first soak and scrub easier   (Good money  for a bit of plastic but after thinking about making one out of a plastic tub decided the proper thing is easier!)

 That way , I can use the kitchen sink ,and mix warm, hottish water with whatever takes my fancy and keep tipping it away till the records as clean as possible !!

Then take record to the other bath for final rinsing and spinning , and into the rack for drying!!

 

Woh hoo!!!

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