Did they get around to posting the original review? quality but i remember comparting it to a NAD at the time. The rumble was way less on the NAD. But then, the Sls are all still going, and will keep going for ever. its cog free, belt free and built like a *rick *hit house.
The technics sl1200 is an amazing piece of equipment and people are right on here, it wasnt made for djs it was made as a high quality domestic deck which the djs quickly took on because of its quality. I posted on here a cple of days ago thinking I.d find a suitable replacement for around £500 but there seriously is nothing near the stupendous build quality this offers. I would love to update the tonearm but ive even been advised on here that the arm isnt that bad at all so ive decided to leave it. I bought an audia technica cartridge for £20 ( I wldve spent more on that if i cld) but it sounds fine. I am proud to own one of these iconic decks from an iconic brand . Look on the vintage technics website at their stuff around the late 70s to mid 80s. It is of some of the highest quality ( their high end pre power amps were extrememly expensive and as iconic as the 1200 tt) The sea 3 for example is stupendous. It was technics that got me into hi-fi in the early eighties when my dad came home with a brand new system.....back then it was just awsome........... I now realise i.d never get rid of my 1200mk2 and what ever system I have in the future will be built around it.
Its such a shame that this brand stopped making hi-fi as they were right up there in their day.
TECHNICS SL1200MK2 MARANTZ CR603 PROJECT PHONO STAGE BOWERS AND WILKINS CM1 SILVER ANNIVERSAY SPEAKER CABLE
Be it as it may the 3 star review... .I find the sound of the Sl1210 (I bought new ) great..although it lacks occasionally in sweet it pretty much has a solid sound with no or very little backgroun noise-with a close to or identical belt drive like sound.A good combination for enjoyable listening.Plus electronic speed change.Does well with the Om5e catridge.Entirely satisfying deck.
shame it is not made anymore.
Anyone who has heard an SL1200, with a decent cartridge, then gone home to a bit of chipboard, an elastic band (and a motor that couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding), probably feels as cheated as I did when it happened to me. Throw in the engineering, decent hinges, the 'proper record player' looks and bullet proof build and you too might wonder how we were all conned for so long. (I admit I believed the #### we were told about Japanese DD turntables until it was far too late.)
"We are currently awaiting the loading of our complement of small lemon-soaked paper napkins for your comfort, refreshment and hygiene during the journey."
There are many belt drive and idler drive turntables that will outperform the Technics, Chebby. All systems have the same object, to rotate the platter at a steady speed. Direct drive just happened to be a hi-tech approach, as opposed to the solid engineering of the Linns, Thorens, Garrards etc.
Its not so much 'outperforming' as it is a different take/flavor on things. I still think the arm/cartridge combination will ultimately be more important than the rest of a deck but that doesn't mean you should save there (Rega?).
Looking at technical details the higher end Technics decks are probably near the pinacle of TT technology. Especially the Studio SP's if used with good arm/cartridges.
Stil, I personally like my belt drives too.
The SP10 was much much better than the other two and designed for Hi-Fi from scratch. Better made and engineered and here (MKII) in still working perfectly!
altruistic.lemon wrote:There are many belt drive and idler drive turntables that will outperform the Technics...
There are many belt drive and idler drive turntables that will outperform the Technics...
Arguably not at the price the Technics sold for during it's long production run. You can't compare a Linn LP12 (sensibly) because even it's 'entry level' versions were far more expensive. Up to 4.5 X more expensive by the end of SL1200 production. (Not counting the LP12 Majik's optional £110 lid at the time.)
Not sensible either to compare the Garrard Transcriptors (you mentioned 'idlers' so that suggests 301s and 401s and Loricraft restorations) because they not only pre-dated the Technics, but were far more expensive too (especially onced plinthed and provided with an appropriate arm).
Thorens TD160s were also a lot more expensive.
Not so such more expensive in the early days of both decks, but significantly more later on. By the end of SL1210 production in 2010 a Thorens TD160HD with an OEM RB250 arm was about £1800 (It's £2100 now) and a stock 1210 Mk5 was £499 (with a more 'spangly' MK5 G 30th anniversary variant for £699).
So, by the end of it's production, the SL1210 was about the same price as a Rega P3-24.
You're arguing a different point, there, Chebby, as you well know.
i think chebby is right to be honest ....but you only have to type in sl1200 and there are many owner reviews who have compared the technics to other decks and technics mostly come out on top in most areas ............ i think regardless of whfi say about this deck it sounds lovely and the build quality is stupendous ......even one other top magazine rates them very highly ..30 odd years of production cant be wrong
At first glance, the REGA tt's seem to be the better choise over the SL-1200. But is it ? No! What I have against the REGA policy not to state decent specs is one of the biggest omissions a company of quality stuff can make. REGA is flimsy built, parts are glued in place and the older tt's hardly ever play at the correct speed. The Technics SL1200 family is quite the opposite, I mean, read the manual that comes with it. Look at the wow and flutter figures for example, you can't beat those! Where are these figures in the REGA manual, if one can call it one..........? No, instead REGA reccommends not to overly clean a record "as dust will be pushed aside while playing". Well well, what a reccommendation that is, as if we are all novices.
I have owned a REGA once, only to get rid of it after a few months because the speed was not constant, I could hear the flutter and hear the motor run. I have two SL-1200's now, and they perform flawlessly. No DJ-tools, they were adopted by the DJ because the SL-1200 family was, and still is, the only turntable that could cope with the tortures. It was developped as a industry standard and the sheer quality make it will last your lifetime.
Granted, you can't screw in just any cartridge. But mate it with a suitable one and it will reward you with state of the art performance. Remember, records were out developped long time ago, they simply can not get any better than they were lets say in the 70's. Yes, the time when the Sl-1200 was developped.
What HIFI should state specs instead. Only then quality will reveal itself and I'm sure REGA turntables will be seen through quite different glasses. What's more, only by stating specs there will be diffences which are so needed for those who are real newcomers and are in the market for vinyl. They deserve good, honest reviews. Most products get 4 or 5 stars in the present situation. Not anymore if specs are stated. Yes, it will take more efforts but it is the only way to show the real differences between turntables.
I actually think the SL1200/10 decks will cut it in the £1000 area no problems! I don't think anyone here disputes the capability of it, I myself owned and yes its built for purpose. Wonder what it would sound like with a RB3003 arm and nice cart!
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stevebrock wrote:I actually think the SL1200/10 decks will cut it in the £1000 area no problems! I don't think anyone here disputes the capability of it, I myself owned and yes its built for purpose. Wonder what it would sound like with a RB3003 arm and nice cart!
how does the SL1300 range compare to the SL1200 range, managed to get a SL1300 for £70 off loot magazine,love the retro look with 's' arm,
,, cant see a used SL1200 going for anthing less than £250 for a decent working one. so I assume its way ahead of the SL1300 which can be had alot cheaper. but Its a bit of a solid slab itself, the wow and flutter is the same at 0.02% which I assume is a good figure
I really wanted an SL1200, but I now love my SL1300
Hello from Greece!
My first post here due to this discovery:
Mike Fremer: (Stereophile 5/14)
A family with the same motor/electronics:
TECHNICS SL-1200 ORIGINAL SERVO MK1 VS REGA PLANAR 3 VS YAMAHA YP-701
Having compared current-model turntables in my home system, I expected the differences among the turntables tested here to be subtle-and frankly, I expected the Rega Planar 3 to beat the vintage turntables easily.
After all, it's belt-drive and the others are direct-drive, and audiophiles say belt-drive is better.
Well, in this case, at least, the audiophiles are wrong.
Simply put, the Technics SL-120 walked all over the other two turntables. "It's just better balanced in every way," one panelist said.
The SL-120's best attribute was its bass, which was much fuller, more tuneful and more precise than the other turntables could muster.
The difference wasn't subtle; I could hear it even from behind the speakers.
But it wasn't just the bass-the SL-120 also had a warmer, more natural tonal balance than the other turntables.
Of the six listeners, five picked the SL-120 as their clear favorite.
(A photo from the event)
Welcome HV, and these machines still have many fans. I see the eBay prices here are about one third higher than a couple of years ago when I last looked in detail.
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